MLS Bias

Discussion in 'USA Men' started by Dan Kohner, Jan 29, 2025.

  1. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    He should be head and shoulders above everyone else who isn't coming from Europe.
     
  2. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #777 TheHoustonHoyaFan, Jun 17, 2025
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    I may need to rewatch because you are describing a different match than I saw! I am a huge LAFC fan so maybe I did not watch with a critical eye? I was disappointed in Delgado who I have be praising in the flavors thread all season.

    passes: Tillman made 34 of 38 passes, Delgado 33 of 41, Jesus 42 of 49
    duels: Tillman 8 of 12, Hollingshead 3 of 10, Delgado 2 of 3, Jesus 2 of 6

    Like I said it is subjective what we like but there is a reason FotMob's analytics rated Tillman 7.3, Delgado 6.9 and Hollingshead 6.3.
     
  3. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is silly. If you watched the matches the Chelsea players were each slightly better but it all adds up.

    One example is that in MLS Tillman is extremely press resistant, if you get the ball to his feet he almost never gets dispossessed. There was a point when LAFC was under pressure in their own half and they got the ball to Tillman. That is typically Fort Knox security. He had Caicedo on him who Chelsea bought for > $110M IIRC. Tim did his shimmy tried to turn and Caicedo dispossessed him.

    Only happened once but it was clear that he was facing a different level and he had to be much sharper.
     
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  4. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #779 adam tash, Jun 17, 2025
    Last edited: Jun 17, 2025
    this is the "home" venue for mls though...imagine the return legs in europe lol

    they are getting a HUGE boost from that and from euro clubs being in offseason

    chelsea barely got out of first gear while mls is playing balls to the wall

    anyone who wants to use these first 3 matches as some sort of referendum for mls being equivalent with europe...and more sepcifically for usmnt purposes - for mls players to be equivALENT TO their american counterparts in europe is LUNCHING

    theres a great chance of mls not winning a single game out of their 9, imo...better chance of that than any mls team getting out of the group

    mls teams are filler....slightly perky filler....but nothing more

    mls used to buy star players but they seem to have gotten away from that strategy and it is hurting them here...they have few gamebreakers (other than messi) i mean obafemi martins and dempsey would be good in this format.....but jesus ferreira? lollolol lafc needs some carlos vela etc....they have no gamebreakers. even a guy like dempsey wouldnt have become "dempsey" without having gone to the epl and sharpening up his game

    regardless....the DPs are a different discussion than domestics...for usmnt purposes.....mls doesnt create any domestic versions of vela,messi or martins.....verrrrrry very rarely.....

    as far as tillman....he wasnt at a high level in europe lol....hes a 2 bundesliga player lol

    chelsae plays too fast for tillman....i think he could adapt if he played them every week....but thats never going to happen

    its not about euro fairy dust....its about actually playing day in and day out a high level....europe is a higher level than mls

    i'd love to see preseason mls go over to europe and play these teams in the middle of their seasons lol
     
  5. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Since when is there home and away games in a World Cup? Lmaol

    You just full of excuses. This might be the first CWC with 32 teams but the previous iterations have never been home and away and no one says that the host country has an advantage. That's just a lame ass excuses you trying to give. By that same token then USMNT in the WC should make it to the semis at the minimum since they are at home, no? You were expecting them to reach QF in 2022 so in 2026 at home semis is expected. We also need to do home and away so whichever teams the USMNT plays will also need to played at their country in order for it to count in a World Cup lmaol
     
  6. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Tillman is good but not as good as AdamTash says that European development is so much better. In most cases yes but not every player that comes to MLS is head and shoulders above those that play here. Since you follow MLS you would know this. Players from much better leagues than B2 have come here and looked really bad that sometimes you question why they are so bad when they come from a better league.
     
  7. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    what?

    yes they do.....home countries have a huge advantage in fifa comps...across the board. always.

    even with the home field...mls cannot win a single game in cwc
     
  8. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    So we expect USMNT to reach semis since you wanted them to reach QF in 2022, right? Playing at home, home field advantage etc semis is a must.
     
  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i mean....for me...yes....semis would be the minimum for success

    weve seen QF before.....this is the golden generation at home....

    ive heard QF as the marker for success and disagree
     
  10. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    We can't even win at home the Gold Cup and Nations League with all the advantages. If home field is a big advantage we should be the most successful NT in CONCACAF since all the tournaments are always played here. We aren't. Mexico is the most successful. But semis at the WC is the minimum? Lol
     
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  11. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That wasn't LA's home field yesterday. Atlanta is a VERY long ways away from Los Angeles. I'll grant you Seattle, as they are playing all three group games at their home stadium. Miami played the first game in their home city.

    Atlanta fans aren't rooting for LAFC. Same goes for Nashville fans when LA plays there.
     
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  12. STR1

    STR1 Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    May 29, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The UCL runner up just tied vs Monterrey. And it's not like they weren't trying.

    We need to send USMNT players to Liga MX instead of mid level Euro leagues.
     
  13. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--

    More Ledezmas please.
     
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  14. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You think Atlanta is a "home" game for Los Angeles?

    That sort of sums you up.
     
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  15. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Because they're used to having team mates with a higher tactical understanding. So if they're a striker that relies on someone seeing their off the ball runs connecting a pass to them, they underperform with average US midfielders. If they're a midfielder who is used to a structured buildup and people making off the ball runs ahead of them, they look bad when they get disposessed because they aren't going to pass to a guy who is standing in the cover shadow of at least 1 defender constantly.

    Or they're just cashing in and want to live in NY/LA/Miami for a couple of years...
     
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  16. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Let's get our first Gignac before we worry about producing the next Messi...
     
  17. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    Isn't the MLS : CWC salary gap (10x?) about the same as the USL C : MLS salary gap, so we could expect about what we get in the USOC from USL C from this going forward? Magic of the cup and all that?
     
  18. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think USL League One and MLS maybe.

    I suspect a lot of information on the web about USL Championship salaries is out of date.
     
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  19. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its really apples and oranges, but a good test for our MLS clubs.

    Were people really expecting LAFC to get a result against Chelsea?

    If Miami was going to advance, the probably needed to get a result against Al Ahly.
    Seattle got a very tough draw.

    Its LAFC that's got a shot. I don't think they played badly against Chelsea. Gotta get a result against the Tunisian club in their next game. Then they go into their final game against Flamengo with a chance.
     
  20. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought 0-2 was a great result for LAFC.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    True, but the subject here is soccer, not the jewelry industry.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Plus we have a huge upgrade at the manager slot. So maybe a lucky PK win in the semis is on the table.
     
  23. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." - Eric Cantona on being banned for drop kicking a Crystal Palace fan.

    I bring that up because it makes as much sense.
     
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  24. Kamphgruppe

    Kamphgruppe Member

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    May 29, 2023
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    100% I can't count the number of times I have heard if you played a premier league side in a competitive competition they will get slaughtered 10-0. Well we played Chelsea's A team, they didn't hold back. They played a competitive match less than 3 weeks ago so don't give me the preseason excuse either. Shots of target were 6 for Chelsea and 4 for LAFC. I think Chelsea still wins 9 times out of 10 because you could see the difference in quality. However the folks saying MLS is league 1 or league 2 level are delusional.
     
  25. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I watch League Two games every week and it's laughably poor compared to MLS.

    Wrexham and Birmingham were the only League One teams that probably could have competed in MLS.

    Check that, Wrexham's style of play probably wouldn't make them competitive in MLS.
     
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