MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 16 (Long Time Gone Edition)

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  1. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    Yes.

    CUSA and the LAG "shared" a stadium, too.

    But that doesn't look to be the business option that MLS is perusing and utilizing in the near term in markets like NY and LA.
     
  2. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of all the things Chivas USA did wrong, sharing a stadium with the Galaxy was not near the top of the list.

    Just a few of the problems, in no particular order:
    1. They were called "Chivas USA", possibly the dumbest name in all of US sports. It sounds stupid. It translates to something stupider, and it has no local identity. Not to mention it directly off-put a good portion of the local population.
    2. They were clearly second fiddle to the Mexican mothership. The reason this has not killed NYCFC is because the mothership (MCFC) is world-class and very well run, unlike Chivas Mexico has been. Also, NYCFC did not follow mistake #1 above.
    3. The organization was a shitshow.
    4. HDC was not convenient to the target demo (Chivas suppoerters) so that was bad. The Galaxy did not narrow down their target demo so much, that this problem has been mitigated for them at HDC.
     
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  3. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    In the eyes of MLS and its business, it (CUSA's failure to acquire, or overall disinterest in acquiring, their own/controlled venue) seems to be very near the top of the list, imo.

    In that sense, the franchises NYCFC and LAFC are both significant improvements on what CUSA operationally was. (And NYCFC will be even more operationally improved and successful as a business, most likely, if and when they are no longer a tenant at Yankee Stadium.)
     
  4. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    when people talk about sharing a stadium.... Don't overlook the details.

    1. Giants and Jets share a stadium: HOWEVER, it's a 50-50 ownership. Which mean they both get revenue from it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MetLife_Stadium
    2. LAG owned 100% while CUSA was a renter! That is a BIG difference.
    The keys to SSS success in MLS was finally owning the major controlling interest in revenue and the ABILITY to play the shell game of profit and loss.

    Seattle and NER although they are not equal partners have the same owner as their stadium partner. DCU although they don't share are actually worse off than SEA and NER because they don't own their stadium.

    There are so many points here that CANNOT be overlooked. Never forget "God is in the details" **



    ** origin of phrase: http://grammarist.com/words/devil-is-in-the-details-vs-god-is-in-the-detail/
     
  5. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The usual 18k announced at Avaya for the ASG.
     
  6. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    This was the lowest attended MLS ASG of all time - limited by stadium capacity of course.
     
  7. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    They should move ASG....oops..they do every year ;)
     
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  8. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Not every year, but close.
     
  9. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    i was being flippant but is there years where the ASG is in the same stadium two years in a row?
     
  10. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Not since the first two which were held at Giants Stadium in 1996 and 1997.
     
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  11. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Didn't Doug Logan's disastrous San Diego experiment draw worse?
     
  12. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    that drew over 23k that year. But it was in Qualcomm so it looked kind of empty.
     
  13. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah thanks, for some reason I remembered a 14k number for that one.
     
  14. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    One match in league play yesterday saw 25,711 in the Bronx to watch the home team play the visiting Coloradans.
     
  15. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    I was there, and while there may have been 23k tickets distributed, at no point were there 23k fans in the stadium. It was actually a doubleheader: the other game was a friendly between Chivas (Mexico) andUniversidad Catolica (Chile). So a good percentage of the attendees were there for the Chivas game instead of the ASG. Watching that game in a 60k seat stadium was pathetic and depressing.
     
  16. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    23,979 at BMO Field
     
  17. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    18,091 @ Philadelphia
     
  18. Dignan

    Dignan Member+

    Nov 29, 1999
    Granada
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah.
     
  19. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas USA and the Galaxy didn't share a stadium, CUSA rented the Galaxy's stadium. The Galaxy via AEG actually made money every time CUSA played there. They even had to cut AEG a check for their office space. It wasn't like they were both renting a municipally owned stadium or anything. HDC was clearly the Galaxy's home and CUSA was clearly a tenant.

    It was a weird situation.
     
  20. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    Quick weekend summary

    Saturday
    NYCFC 25,711

    Sunday

    SKC 19,098
    Seattle 48,458
    Dallas 13,824
    DC 16,728
    Philadelphia 18,091
    Chicago 17,221
    Orlando 27,768
    Toronto 23,979
    Houston 15,045

    225,923 total attendance for the weekend......an average of 22,592
     
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  21. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    It can be and was both of those things.

    Agreed. And that specific "tenant (in a different franchise's MLS home) reality" is not something that NYCFC or LAFC or other franchise of the future of MLS is likely to repeat. MLS does actually learn from some of their business past/missteps, from time to time.

    MLS does well as a business as it gets more venues built and/or gains operational and business control of more real estate and facilities. (Adding CUSA never helped in that mission, in the way that adding LAFC specifically is doing so.)
     
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  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Considering all the circumstances, these are good numbers.
     
  23. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    thought the same thing as I typed that post....I might even call them "excellent" numbers.
     
  24. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    27,859 at BMO Field tonight
     
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  25. PTFC in KCMO

    PTFC in KCMO Member+

    Aug 12, 2012
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    16,368 for the Timbers CCL group stage game against Dragon.
     
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