MLS Attendance Analysis: Week 16 (Long Time Gone Edition)

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  1. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we are sixteen weeks into the season, I have been gone for the last six. Life has had a habit of getting in my way this spring and now early summer. I would like to promise that I will be back full time from here on out this season but the way things have happened thus far that is not a promise I can currently make.

    Remember in this thread we discuss the:
    (AAQ = Attendance Analysis Quotient. This figure is an overall attendance assessment, calculated from the weighted values of average attendance, median attendance, <10K percentage and >20K percentage. A lower figure represents a better attendance performance.)
    This is a slight change from Andy's old formula which used simple ordinal values and provided a full ranking point separation for two numbers that may have been within a percentage. This ordinal system did not allow for fine differences to be seen, and may have painted a somewhat skewed view of the numbers (though to be honest there is not much difference in the two end of season sets).
    The formula to find the weighted value for each column is:
    Take the annual value and subtract it from the Max value for it's column. Then take that result and divide it by the (Max-Min) for its column. For example, for the average column
    21549 is the max
    13756 is the min
    7793 is the difference
    To calculate the derived value for 2013
    Subtract 18608 from 21549 to get 2941.
    Divide 2941 by 7793 then multiply by 100 to get 38 (rounded)

    The above values are from the historical AAQ which is available in the first post of each month and in this the preseason thread.

    MLS Attendance is based on tickets distributed not tickets scanned. Therefore if a team sells or distributes X number of tickets, then X is the attendance for that match. Even if 0 people showed up for whatever reason, X would still be the official attendance. There are a number of reasons actual attendance may be lower or higher than the announced.

    Some questions have come up about what a valid source for this thread is, for the record the source order that I use is MLS Match reports from mlssoccer.com, then Team Match reports from the team specific site, then boxscore/match report from the local then visiting news paper or tv station, then reconciliation of numbers between my previous tally and MLS Pressbox, finally social media accounts of known team reporters. As such 95% of my numbers are from the official MLS Match report, and 99% come from official MLS Sources. Linking to a tweet or post of a fellow fan is not a verifiable source.
     
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  2. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Last Week:
    Everyone was in action and then some, with a total of 12 matches. There were some notable individual absences as Copa America wound down, but plenty of excitement in the matches that were played.


    Home Team
    Attendance
    Philadelphia 16667
    Real Salt Lake 18036
    LA Galaxy 21884
    Seattle 47537
    DC United 16051
    Philadelphia 17225
    Columbus 20389
    Orlando City 27818
    Montréal 20032
    FC Dallas 13128
    San Jose 50816
    Portland 21144
    Total 290727
    Average 24227


    This Week:

    We have the fifth round of the USOC, the last match of the CCL, and then the July 4th slate. Of course with the Holiday on a Monday we do not get our normal double up week. Nonetheless I think we can expect a very healthy attendance week. Starting Friday night in Chicago with the Fire hosting the Quakes does this have a name? If not it should. Also on Friday DC is at RSL. We get three on Saturday, two north of the border with Montreal hosting New England, and Seattle at Toronto, then one in Texas with east leading Philadelphia at Houston. Sunday sees Red Bulls return to Yankee Stadium, and Columbus at Sporting. Finally Monday the 4th brings us FC Dallas home to Orlando City, the Timbers are at Colorado, and we wrap with LA hosting Vancouver.
     
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  3. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Season Stats:
    Remember in the count columns everything above the 20k cell is a subset of the 20k number, and likewise everything below the 15k is a subset of that. We are 161 matches or 47.4% of the way through this season.


    Season Stats
    Totals …… Threshold Count Percent
    Played 161 …… >=50000 2 1.2%
    Total 3451626 …… >=40000 5 3.1%
    Average 21439 …… >=30000 20 12.4%
    Median 19950 …… >=25000 34 21.1%
    Maximum 60147 …… >=20000 80 49.7%
    Minimum 10144 …… <15000 25 15.5%
    Deviation 7829 …… <12500 6 3.7%
     
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  4. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    AAQ Data:
    I honestly have not spent a whole lot of time looking over the numbers. I know we are doing well, and seemingly on pace to best last year. That being said please draw and post your own conclusions.

    Historic:

    Current
    Average Median <10k >20k Avg
    Pts
    Med
    Pts
    <10k
    Pts
    >20k
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Rnk
    Date Game
    1996 17410 15093 21.9% 26.3% 53 60 64 64 241 9 9/22 160
    1997 14606 12733 25.0% 16.3% 89 89 73 90 341 17 9/28 160
    1998 14312 11871 26.6% 16.1% 93 100 77 90 360 18 9/27 192
    1999 14282 12973 32.3% 15.1% 93 86 94 93 366 19 10/10 192
    2000 13756 12690 34.4% 12.5% 100 90 100 100 390 20 9/9 192
    2001 14961 13431 26.6% 17.7% 85 81 77 86 329 15 9/9 158
    2002 15821 14108 17.1% 18.6% 74 73 50 84 281 11 9/22 140
    2003 14900 13719 23.3% 18.0% 85 77 68 85 315 14 10/26 150
    2004 15549 13223 24.7% 25.3% 77 83 72 66 298 13 10/17 150
    2005 15112 12619 27.1% 17.7% 83 91 79 86 339 16 10/16 192
    2006 15538 14175 18.8% 18.8% 77 72 55 83 287 12 10/15 192
    2007 16767 15353 8.2% 29.7% 61 57 24 54 196 6 10/21 195
    2008 16460 15188 11.0% 24.8% 65 59 32 68 224 8 10/26 210
    2009 16037 14686 14.7% 20.9% 71 65 43 78 257 10 10/25 225
    2010 16675 15332 7.5% 22.5% 63 58 22 74 217 7 10/24 240
    2011 17869 17639 5.6% 28.1% 47 29 16 59 151 5 10/23 306
    2012 18807 18393 1.9% 32.5% 35 20 5 47 107 3 10/28 323
    2013 18608 18359 5.6% 32.5% 38 20 16 47 121 4 10/27 323
    2014 19149 18679 5.6% 40.6% 31 16 16 26 89 2 10/26 323
    2015 21549 20018 0.0% 50.3% 0 0 0 0 0 1 10/25 340
    Current Average Median <10k >20k Avg
    Pts
    Med
    Pts
    <10k
    Pts
    >20k
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Rnk
    Date Game


    Current:

    Current
    Average Median <10k >20k Avg
    Pts
    Med
    Pts
    <10k
    Pts
    >20k
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Rnk
    Date Game
    1996 20554 17261 17.3% 38.7% 13 36 54 33 136 5 7/4 75
    1997 14663 13168 18.7% 14.7% 98 91 58 104 351 14 6/25 75
    1998 14615 11871 22.2% 17.8% 98 108 69 94 369 16 6/21 90
    1999 14265 13442 27.8% 17.8% 103 87 86 94 370 17 6/30 90
    2000 14047 13146 32.2% 14.4% 107 91 100 104 402 20 6/17 90
    2001 13793 13242 25.7% 12.2% 110 90 80 111 391 19 6/16 74
    2002 15243 13287 21.2% 19.7% 89 89 66 89 333 13 6/26 66
    2003 14547 13368 31.0% 15.5% 99 88 96 101 384 18 7/12 71
    2004 15838 13472 23.9% 26.8% 81 87 74 68 310 11 7/4 71
    2005 13959 11828 32.2% 13.3% 108 109 100 108 425 21 6/29 90
    2006 15120 13148 22.2% 15.6% 91 91 69 101 352 15 7/4 90
    2007 15056 14226 13.0% 20.7% 92 77 40 86 295 10 7/7 92
    2008 16125 15024 11.1% 25.3% 77 66 34 72 249 8 6/28 99
    2009 14957 14248 16.0% 16.0% 93 76 50 100 319 12 6/20 106
    2010 16408 14322 9.7% 22.1% 73 75 30 82 260 9 7/10 113
    2011 17340 16775 9.0% 27.1% 59 43 28 67 197 7 6/25 144
    2012 18622 18202 2.6% 31.6% 41 23 8 54 126 4 6/30 152
    2013 17500 17603 5.9% 24.3% 57 31 18 75 181 6 6/29 152
    2014 18564 18157 7.2% 36.8% 41 24 22 38 125 3 7/4 152
    2015 20729 19296 0.0% 46.0% 10 9 0 11 30 2 6/24 161
    2016 21439 19950 0.0% 49.7% 0 0 0 0 0 1 6/26 161
    Current Average Median <10k >20k Avg
    Pts
    Med
    Pts
    <10k
    Pts
    >20k
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Pts
    AAAQ
    Rnk
    Date Game
     
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  5. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Comparison To Last Season and All-Time:
    A few team down big, one experiencing a sophomore slump in the stands despite a decent team on the field. Also a few up significantly two of them MLS 1.0 teams, and another that looked like it would behave like one. But that is just what the numbers tell me, as I said earlier I have not been paying very close attention.


    Team
    Played Total Current Last AllTime
    Average
    Last
    +/-
    AllTime
    +/-
    Chicago 7 100161 14309 16126 15625 -11.3% -8.4%
    Colorado 8 119823 14978 15122 14336 -1.0% 4.5%
    Columbus 8 130650 16331 15061 15396 8.4% 6.1%
    DC United 9 141225 15692 13858 16759 13.2% -6.4%
    FC Dallas 9 123121 13680 15274 12939 -10.4% 5.7%
    Houston 7 142521 20360 20046 18637 1.6% 9.2%
    Los Angeles 8 192807 24101 20448 22158 17.9% 8.8%
    Montréal 7 152834 21833 15630 19637 39.7% 11.2%
    New England 8 144158 18020 16410 15757 9.8% 14.4%
    New York City 10 263146 26315 28785 29016 -8.6% -9.3%
    Orlando City 9 310816 34535 34393 32847 0.4% 5.1%
    Philadelphia 9 151580 16842 17493 18062 -3.7% -6.8%
    Portland 9 190296 21144 21144 20379 0.0% 3.8%
    Real Salt Lake 6 116529 19422 20217 17933 -3.9% 8.3%
    Red Bull NY 8 152189 19024 18919 17602 0.6% 8.1%
    San Jose 8 176816 22102 24331 13463 -9.2% 64.2%
    Seattle 8 326470 40809 40248 40333 1.4% 1.2%
    Sporting KC 9 176940 19660 20025 13187 -1.8% 49.1%
    Toronto FC 5 141312 28262 25286 20352 11.8% 38.9%
    Vancouver 9 198232 22026 20752 20168 6.1% 9.2%
    Team Played Total Current Last AllTime
    Average
    Last
    +/-
    AllTime
    +/-


    The second table is more focused on this particular match number for each team. Recent is the most recent home attendance, current is the current season average, average and median are the teams average and median for this game number, and finally running average is where each team would be on average through this point of the season.


    Team
    Recent Current Average Median Running
    Average
    Average
    +/-
    Median
    +/-
    Running
    +/-
    Chicago 14729 14309 15831 15106 14788 -7.0% -2.5% -3.2%
    Colorado 18103 14978 22637 15285 14919 -20.0% 18.4% 0.4%
    Columbus 20389 16331 15299 14391 14297 33.3% 41.7% 14.2%
    DC United 16051 15692 17991 14176 16704 -10.8% 13.2% -6.1%
    FC Dallas 13128 13680 12748 13158 12851 3.0% -0.2% 6.5%
    Houston 19774 20360 17205 16364 17988 14.9% 20.8% 13.2%
    Los Angeles 21884 24101 24989 20415 22143 -12.4% 7.2% 8.8%
    Montréal 20032 21833 15575 15915 21733 28.6% 25.9% 0.5%
    New England 21456 18020 14371 14649 15063 49.3% 46.5% 19.6%
    New York City 27456 26315 27533 27533 28785 -0.3% -0.3% -8.6%
    Orlando City 27818 34535 23372 23372 34393 19.0% 19.0% 0.4%
    Philadelphia 17225 16842 18210 18176 18353 -5.4% -5.2% -8.2%
    Portland 21144 21144 20339 20674 20339 4.0% 2.3% 4.0%
    Real Salt Lake 18036 19422 19547 18293 17637 -7.7% -1.4% 10.1%
    Red Bull NY 21102 19024 16854 14790 18242 25.2% 42.7% 4.3%
    San Jose 50816 22102 16781 11313 13119 202.8% 349.2% 68.5%
    Seattle 47537 40809 37087 38311 37391 28.2% 24.1% 9.1%
    Sporting KC 18927 19660 12142 10219 12900 55.9% 85.2% 52.4%
    Toronto FC 30025 28262 20860 20145 20725 43.9% 49.0% 36.4%
    Vancouver 22120 22026 20404 20060 20115 8.4% 10.3% 9.5%
    Team Recent Current Average Median Running
    Average
    Average
    +/-
    Median
    +/-
    Running
    +/-


    Milestones:

    Several but I did not keep track. If I can figure it out I will post the update if not

    @aperfectring the thread is ready for your updates.

    The 2015 Team Centric Thread can be found here for those needing specific team data
     
  6. Golazo

    Golazo Member+

    Apr 15, 1999
    Decatur, GA USA
    As an old-timer, allow me to posit this: If we get to the end of the season... with more than a bit of competition from various international tournaments in the summer and qualifiers in the fall as competition.... and the less than 10k number is 0.0% and the greater than 20k number is above 50%...? Oh. Lawd.
     
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  7. Lancaster FC

    Lancaster FC Member+

    Oct 2, 2007
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What stuck out to me is that TFC, MTL & VAN are all significantly up. with year over year increases of 11.8%, 39.7%, and 6.1%.

    Thank you Canada!
     
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  8. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Game Ratings

    These numbers are an attempt to assign a rating of how well an individual game's attendance matches up with performance of the league as a whole, and the individual team. The reference data is the previous year's average and standard deviation, for both the league, and the individual team. The numbers are the normal distribution's CDF multiplied by 100, and rounded to the nearest whole number. This means the valid range is from 0 to 100.

    Expansion teams are given -100 for their team score during their first season. This should be interpreted as "N/A", and the league score should be used as a decent comparison metric.


    DateTeamAttendanceLeague ScoreTeam Score
    2016-06-22 Philadelphia Union 16667 27 44
    2016-06-25 D.C. United 16051 25 59
    2016-06-22 Real Salt Lake 18036 33 3
    2016-06-22 Los Angeles Galaxy 21884 52 19
    2016-06-25 Seattle Sounders 47537 100 100
    2016-06-25 Philadelphia Union 17225 30 64
    2016-06-25 Montreal Impact 20032 43 23
    2016-06-25 Columbus Crew 20389 45 98
    2016-06-25 Orlando City 27818 79 25
    2016-06-25 FC Dallas 13128 14 36
    2016-06-25 San Jose Earthquakes 50816 100 100
    2016-06-26 Portland Timbers 21144 48 50
     
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  9. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Floating Window

    A floating window number is the average attendance for that team over the last X number of games, or X calendar years. So, for 17 games, it is the average of the last 17-n games from the previous season and the n games from the current season. For 1 year, it is the average from one year prior to the noted date through the noted date, inclusive. e.g. for 2014-03-10 it would be from 2013-03-10 through 2014-03-10 inclusive. For each floating window size, a prior and a current value are provided, as well as the difference between them. The dates for prior and current are specified below, and the values there are inclusive of games played on that date.


    Floating window for X number of games

    Prior date: 2016-06-20
    Current date: 2016-06-27

    TeamCurrent 1Diff 1Current 17Diff 17
    Chicago Fire 14729 0 15254 0
    Colorado Rapids 18103 0 15589 0
    Columbus Crew 20389 5575 17111 -39
    D.C. United 16051 877 17215 284
    FC Dallas 13128 -329 15169 -354
    Houston Dynamo 19774 0 20787 0
    Los Angeles Galaxy 21884 2233 25111 98
    Montreal Impact 20032 -769 20304 113
    New England Revolution 21456 0 20384 0
    New York City 27456 0 27563 0
    New York Red Bulls 21102 0 19707 0
    Orlando City 27818 -9376 32923 262
    Philadelphia Union 17225 1682 17107 -159
    Portland Timbers 21144 0 21144 0
    Real Salt Lake 18036 -2281 19879 -163
    San Jose Earthquakes 50816 32816 19930 1930
    Seattle Sounders 47537 6509 44511 378
    Sporting Kansas City 18927 0 19494 0
    Toronto FC 30025 0 24307 0
    Vancouver Whitecaps 22120 0 21182 0


    Floating window for X number of years

    Prior date: 2016-02-01
    Current date: 2016-06-27

    TeamCurrent 1Diff 1Current 5Diff 5
    Chicago Fire 15468 -535 15640 42
    Colorado Rapids 15589 -68 15306 68
    Columbus Crew 17465 952 15825 614
    D.C. United 17222 978 15171 -21
    FC Dallas 15390 -623 15181 128
    Houston Dynamo 20679 21 20205 331
    Los Angeles Galaxy 25454 2062 22833 178
    Montreal Impact 20182 2432 19842 205
    New England Revolution 20672 1045 16291 616
    New York City 28639 -377 28015 -1001
    New York Red Bulls 19707 50 19379 77
    Orlando City 32923 76 33432 585
    Philadelphia Union 17107 -344 17711 -141
    Portland Timbers 21144 0 20622 243
    Real Salt Lake 19993 -167 19603 321
    San Jose Earthquakes 21434 455 15916 1148
    Seattle Sounders 44794 547 43196 473
    Sporting Kansas City 19513 -174 19368 45
    Toronto FC 24307 875 20971 557
    Vancouver Whitecaps 21172 665 20366 198
     
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  10. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
    Club:
    Connecticut
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Welcome back, dude. Always great stuff in these threads.
     
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  11. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    On behalf of an entire nation (all of whom have sent me emails of authorization) I offer a hearty "your welcome"....particularly pleased with the Vancouver number...it is a fantastic town for our sport and good to see them dipping their toes into expanding their capacity and good to see it is working
     
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  12. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    17087 at RSL for the Open Cup vs Seattle which makes the second game this year that RSL got 17k+ for the cup.
     
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  13. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    6,190 in Chicago for the Open Cup
     
  14. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    3,162 in Orlando for the Open Cup vs Ft Lauderdale
     
  15. TOareaFan

    TOareaFan Member+

    Jun 19, 2008
    Greater Toronto Area
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    19,376 for the #canchamp in vancouver
     
  16. Matt Garrett

    Matt Garrett New Member

    Jun 30, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Great analysis, glad i found this forum!
     
  17. Robertoe

    Robertoe Member

    Jun 30, 2016
    Club:
    Everton FC
    I'm delighted to see Toronto's numbers improve. I feared with the poor results for several years that the great early enthusiasm would wane, but with the likes of Giovinco, Bradley and Altidore coming, it seems to have rejuvenated them.
     
  18. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    What a great idea for a thread! You should do this more often!





    :D
     
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  19. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Houston had 6,371 for the Open Cup against Sporting midweek.
    18,164 in Portland for the Galaxy.

    Looks like all the two big drawing teams are now knocked out (Portland and RSL)
     
  20. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Chicago - 16,487
     
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  21. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Salt Lake City - 20,389
     
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  22. American Brummie

    Jun 19, 2009
    There Be Dragons Here
    Club:
    Birmingham City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But I wonder if it wouldn't be better if he tried to get butts in seats rather than tickets sold/distributed, right? :D
     
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  23. FoxBoro 143

    FoxBoro 143 Member+

    Jan 18, 2004
    MA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be stupid and not worth the time. The best way to do this thread is to go by what people think it looks like on tv.
     
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  24. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There were a couple thousand at the Dick today for the Rapids season ticket holder training session/Tim Howard debut. :D
     
  25. Blong

    Blong Member+

    Oct 29, 2002
    Midwest, the real one.
    They train the season ticket holders? Innovative.
     
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