MLS Attendance Analysis: Season's End

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by edwardgr, Oct 24, 2011.

  1. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  2. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
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  3. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  4. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    and one for the league as a whole:

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  5. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the leagues own web site has yet to acknowledge this so it does not make too much sense to expect the general media to report it.

    I think it will be reported in the general media likely during MLS cup week when Garber gives his normal speech and he is highly likely to highlight the attendance.
     
  6. MLSFan123

    MLSFan123 Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Boston Area
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I thought we read that Portland was very happy with the 20,323 capacity via their two experiments late in the season and as such the speculation was that that was going to be the new capacity next season.
     
  7. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    So what happened in 2001 that reversed the downward trend?
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously, attendance revenue is supporting MLS at its current level. This year, MLS teams have challenged the MFL teams in the CCL.

    At this point, MLS needs to turn around the TV ratings and then Get Paid. If they can do that over the next years or so, then MLS has a good chance of drawing more or less even with the MFL.
     
  9. aperfectring

    aperfectring Member+

    Jul 13, 2011
    Hillsboro, OR
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Yes, I haven't heard of anyone who would be unhappy with this development. However, this is the first semi-official news of increased capacity that I have seen, so I decided to share it.
     
  10. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So what was the total attendance for all games regular season games?

    I didn't manage to keep track of that as the season progressed. I know I saw something about 5.5 million...?
     
  11. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After getting used to charts like this:

    these just look weird.

    What's cool is that we should expect to see some other teams besides just the newcomers starting to show that stability as well.
     
  12. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You're only off on Chicago? I'm off on Chicago, DCU, KC, LA, and Toronto. :)

    Although, depending on how far off you are on Chicago, I checked my numbers yesterday and I had transposed the numbers on one of the games (not sure which one though).
     
  13. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, what happened in Kansas City should be the definitive counterargument to anyone who believes in such a thing as a "bad market." It wasn't the market, it was the old ownership.

    The doubleheader was in 2009. But your point is still valid. If you look at only games at PHP in 2009, the average attendance was under 10,000. Quinn's grew that last year in his first full year in charge, despite the ticket staff's having been laid off prior to the 2010 due to the player labor situation and rehired right before the season, and further grew it this season.

    The changes are rather striking when you look at the attendances for each of the past three seasons, sorted from smallest to largest:

    Code:
    [B][U]2009	2010	2011[/U][/B]
    5724	7468	8145
    6183	8016	10023
    6542	8422	10222
    7442	8512	10363
    8041	8732	10450
    8247	10033	10470
    8580	10119	10550
    9235	10309	10802
    9595	10323	10849
    10219	10615	11022
    10317	10947	11635
    14327	11170	12109
    15243	14331	12261
    15905	15105	17019
    	15993	20145
    		20704
    		21867
    The average attendance at PHP has grown from 9,686 in 2009 to 10,673 in 2010 to 12,861 in 2011. Meanwhile, the median has grown from 8,908 in 2009 to 10,309 in 2010 to 10,849 in 2011.

    I would not be shocked at this rate of growth to see FCD's average to be around 14,000 in 2012. Of course, it would help if the rocket scientists over at MLS don't schedule them for too many Saturday and Sunday afternoon games in the summertime.
     
  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, after checking my numbers, it looks like most were me making typos. However, Ed's Chicago number is off by 1, which I'm going to assume is the result of MLS changing the numbers because I had the exact same average until yesterday when I noticed the difference between OG's numbers and my numbers.

    Without further ado, here's Chicago's numbers according to MLS:

    Code:
    Date       Away  Attnd
    10/22/2011  CLB  20237
    10/12/2011  FCD  10362
    9/25/2011   NER  14576
    9/17/2011   CHV  15246
    8/27/2011   COL  15211
    8/21/2011   TFC  12020
    8/18/2011   DCU  15818
    8/3/2011    PHL  10557
    7/16/2011   POR  16419
    6/26/2011   NYR  16961
    6/22/2011   RSL  14972
    6/4/2011    SEA  13839
    5/28/2011   SJE  11926
    5/7/2011    VAN  11680
    4/23/2011   HOU  12473
    4/17/2011   LAG  18203
    3/26/2011   SKC  12157
    
     
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  15. tab5g

    tab5g Member+

    May 17, 2002
    when was the last time Dallas averaged 14,000? just an honest question. I'd love to see them approach/surpass that number in 2012, but looking back at their history graph, they've had a total of 3 seasons surpass that level.

    Dallas is a market that is apparently attractive to the Univision family of networks. it's a shame MLS agreed to let Univision dictate the afternoon start times on many weekend matches they presented in 2011. that's the push and pull that takes place between the media/tv sponsorship side of the business and the ticket-sales portion of MLS's overall operations. beyond that, I'm not sure why "the rocket scientists over at MLS" schedule them for so many Saturday and Sunday afternoon games in the summertime.

    But I'm always happy to see folks complain about "summer soccer" and the scheduling (and playing and attendance) difficulties it can create.
     
  16. patilluky

    patilluky Member

    Oct 2, 2011
    Getafe spain
    Club:
    Getafe CF
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    They may be waiting in the MLS MLS Cup ends to announce to the media a success in full season extimate well attended in the playoffs?:confused:
     
  17. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks Yoshou and Ole. I will go back and update my Chicago number as well as it seems likely something changed after I had recorded the number, but honestly a change of 1 on the season average means that the overall change cannot be more than 25 in the count. But hey for the sake of accuracy I will fix mine as well.
     
  18. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    okay. i just checked my averages agaisnt edwardgr's and we are within +/-2 on all but DCU?

    i've got an average of 15,181 and he's got 15,196. that is a pretty big difference, given that these are the averages ... it means our totals must be at least 255 off.

    anybody else have one or the other number? i have tried to be careful this season in keeping track and inputting the numbers but with so many i am sure i could have made a mistake somewhere.
     
  19. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So far, MLS is content to let some outlets do the leg work for them. They often have deferred to Soccer America to publish the attendance numbers in the Kick Off daily emails.

    http://www.socceramerica.com/article/44339/season-16-sets-attendance-record.html
    http://www.mlssoccer.com/news/article/2011/10/25/kick-potential-candidates-succeed-nicol-are-named
     
  20. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I will post my full DC list when I get home. I found a few transcription errors last week when Yoshou alerted me that he and I had differences.
     
  21. edwardgr

    edwardgr Moderator
    Staff Member

    Mar 6, 2006
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Most of my numbers are spot on with SA. But the difference in Red Bull numbers is significant. I will go back through all the matches while watching the game tomorrow night.
     
  22. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ed,

    I just PM'd OG the DCU numbers and my numbers match yours on all but Chicago, which I'm assuming is going to match once you update. I also checked NYRB and SA has it wrong, or at least my numbers match what MLS has and my average matches yours.
     
  23. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    your number was correct. i had a typo on one of the games. i am not super concerned about the other differences as they are small .. 1 or 2 in the average, but that one was kind of big.
     
  24. jayd8888

    jayd8888 Member+

    Aug 22, 2006
    Denver CO
    Thanks for all the help guys!
     
  25. OleGunnar20

    OleGunnar20 Member+

    Dec 7, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    nevermind. yoshou got me straightened out. one typo for a seattle game and one for a philly game. both in the beginning of september.
     

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