MLS Attendance Analysis after 100% Games Complete

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Andy_B, Oct 22, 2007.

  1. jamus4545

    jamus4545 Member

    Mar 20, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    I think attendance will be up next year. Look at the games beckham was supposed to play in. Next year we will have a full season of those sellouts, not a half...just a thought
     
  2. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it may be aggressive to think that Becks will pull the numbers he did in NY or DC again.

    I still think that if MLS holds water next year, it will be a very solid achievement given all the unknowns(specifically KC and SJ).
     
  3. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not the point. The point of my statement is that MLS has finally addressed a major cause for concern -- marginal growth or no growth in attendance, which was sending the signal that the sport wasn't catching on in this country.

    The new stats prove otherwise -- add that to the quality of the new investors (including the possible Seattle organization), SSS's, the Beckham/Blanco rule, vastly improved tv coverage, and improved public relations, and yes, investors should take note, especially since Bloomberg and the WSJ have been giving thumbs up!
     
  4. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good numbers, yeah, I would think. Especially if he's actually...you know...playing well and consistently. But the lookie-lous may have gotten their fill the first time, so the record-type numbers we saw...may not be possible.

    If KC goes from 11,586 to, say, 9,500 (capacity, given the possibility of a Beckham-at-Arrowhead game to boost the other 14), that's an 18% drop for them, but in the course of 210 league games (an all-time high), it's not going to do huge damage to the overall league numbers.
     
  5. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Beckham/Blanco will possibly cause an attendance increase.

    But KC/SJ will certainly cause an attendance decrease. Both will draw lower than the league average because of their stadium sizes. Though KC's may not be much of a reduction -- they only averaged 11,586 this year.

    The big question is how it will all balance out.

    Teams that have room for improvement: Chicago, Chivas, Colorado, Columbus, Dallas, Houston, New England, Red Bull, Salt Lake

    Teams that have virtually no room for improvement: Kansas City, LA, Toronto, DC(?)

    Dallas has hit a solid, steady number. Colorado should have, and Columbus hopefully has. Chivas is unknown because of their short time around, and I'd say the same for Houston, though they appear to have probably reached a steady state already. Hopefully New England has turned it around after years of neglect. Red Bull... could still be waiting for that stadium. Who knows? Salt Lake should improve.

    I would expect the teams that have room to improve to basically cancel each other out -- some going up, some going down.

    With DC, I'm not recalling what their soccer configuration limit is. Pulling a league second best 20,967, I don't know if they have much room to go up.

    Looking at all of this, it just convinces me yet again that we'll do well to match this year's numbers next year.

    Of course, all of that goes out the window if MLS lands Ronaldinho.;)

    ...of course, I've been cautious all along. lawrenceterp, cautiously optimistic. He was right this year. I wonder what we'll get next year:)
     
  6. Len

    Len Member+

    Club: Dallas Tornado
    Jan 18, 1999
    Everywhere and Nowhere.....I'm the wind, baby.
    Hmmm. Looked like more on TV.
     
  7. jamus4545

    jamus4545 Member

    Mar 20, 2007
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Houston Dynamo actually had a 2.6% increase over last year in games played at Robertson stadium.(15,478/2006-15,883/2007) The 70,000+ for the doubleheader game w/ FC Barcelona really inflated our #'s last year. We also had some really bad weather at the start off this season, which hurt us. Attendance goes down for everything during Houston's summers.
     
  8. ne plus ultra

    ne plus ultra Member

    Jul 9, 2000
    I want to revisit the question of median and mean for just a moment:

    If New England's mean of 16,787 is closest to the MLS mean of 16,770, does that make them MLS's meanest?
     
  9. CrewVillain

    CrewVillain Member

    Mar 21, 2002
    First, thanks for these numbers. Second, you have both Colorado and Columbus as COL. You might want to go with CLB for the Crew.
     
  10. Pingudo

    Pingudo New Member

    Nov 18, 2003
    Santa Cruz
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Yes indeed... attendance wise.
     
  11. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look, I know the world doesn't work this way, but it's still fun to think about.

    If MLS keeps going up 8%, it'll average over 21K in 2010. In 2014, it would be 28,700+.
     
  12. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know you are mainly talking just in terms of stadium size but I think it may beunwise to look at NE as having the ability to grow again next year. NE is coming off a 42% growth already and had 3 small double/triple headers which coupled with a maximum use of the Becks 4 game pack allowed them to have a great year.

    My guess is that NE will be an interesting sample of one for the entire league in 2008. Much like the league, I believe if NE holds steady with 2007, that would be an excellent achievement.
     
  13. nick

    nick Member+

    Nov 23, 1998
    Potomac Falls, Va
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Folks be carefully of having too high a set of expectations around playoff attendances.

    Given the very short time frames involved, to this point attendances have dropped significantly for the playoffs......

    Having said that this has been a huge year for MLS, some might even say a breakthrough. Its amazing to think that as recently as 5 years ago almost a third of all MLS games were to crowds under 10k. At DC United games the attendance jump up is obvious and we are regularly getting crowdes in the low to middle 20s compared to middle to upper teens.

    Clearly, the right DPs can have a significant effect on attendance. To date the 5 DPs I would say have had the following impact on Attendance and associated Interest in their respective clubs.

    1. Beckham - Huge positive impact (Moderate impact on field due to injury)
    2. Blanco - Strong positive impact (Significant impact on the field)
    3. Angel - Moderate positive impact (However Very Strong Team Impact that I think will be a major benefit to NYRB in the longer run)
    4. Reyna - Little or no impact (His contract should not be renewed)
    5. Denilson - Little or no impact (His contract should not be renewed)
     
  14. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not that I disagree with this thought but can MLS actually do what you are asking?

    Isn't someone like Reyna on a multi year contract? Are these DP contracts only valid from year to year?
     
  15. kpaulson

    kpaulson New Member

    Jun 16, 2000
    Washington DC
    It's helpful to look at that, especially since we've only got two years in Houston, but over enough years, all of those factors, even a huge DH at Reliant, will tend to even out.
     
  16. trip76

    trip76 Member

    Jul 17, 2007
    North East USA
    if NE got themselves a SSS stadium, and signed a big ticket name, they could be a jewel in the MLS crown.
     
  17. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Denilson is on a one year with an option, I believe. Don't recall exact details, but I know that MLS could drop him after this year.
     
  18. Bajoro

    Bajoro Member+

    Sep 10, 2000
    The Inland Empire
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So true.
     
  19. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member+

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, I'm only talking stadium size. It would be insane to expect anything like a repeat of this year's jump in New England.

    That's why I said that I expect the teams in my 'have room' list to all average out to no change. It was partly an exercise to see how much room MLS has available to it, in response to some other discussions on other older threads about MLS being limited by the smaller stadiums.

    And I don't think we're there yet.

    My point was basically that there's room there, and MLS could still improve in attendance next year, if things fall right. Another good B/B Rule signing. Good weather. Better than expected Beckham/Blanco attendances, and better than expected follow-up attendees.

    Hell, Chivas LA being in the SuperLiga and/or CONCACAF Champions WhateverItIs and showing well could make a big difference.

    I see lots of upside, and it doesn't surprise me that there are people expecting to do better next year. But as I've probably already established, I'm the cautiously pessimistic type:)
     
  20. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    FCD has an option on Denilson after this season.

    In other words, it's hard to imagine that Denilson will be wearing the FCD shirt after this season. It was a calculated, relatively low-cost risk and it didn't work.
     
  21. TommyMack

    TommyMack Member

    Jan 24, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Chivas USA's drop in attendence should raise alarms at MLS HQ. I know their numbers were inflated last year from a doubleheader, but even with that factored in, they did lose a huge amount of people.... and that was after their best year when they made the playoffs!

    Couple that with the current trend towards "fan violence" at their matches, they may lose even more.

    We shall see...

    Tommy Mack
     
  22. Matrim55

    Matrim55 Member+

    Aug 14, 2000
    Berkeley
    Club:
    Connecticut
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reyna has a two year contract.
     
  23. Going Mobile

    Going Mobile Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 15, 2004
    Club:
    CD Chivas USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tommy I like you, I really do. BUT geezus can we stop the Chivas bashing? that all you seem to do around here. There is little "fan violence".
    Shawn Hunter will get the gate numbers fixed next year I guarantee it, just sit back and watch.
    In the mean time come out and enjoy a playoff game at HDC Nov 3rd, on me.
     
  24. Calexico77

    Calexico77 Member

    Sep 19, 2003
    Mid-City LA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is little "fan" anything.
     
  25. Bora Fan

    Bora Fan Member

    Dec 14, 1998
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Reyna shouldn't be dropped.

    That's like saying Brian McBride should have been left off the Crew because of all of his injuries and limited playing time and decreasing goal production after his first year.

    Reyna was why the RedBulls were the best team in MLS at the start of the season.

    He was one of the reasons why Angel decided to play for the RedBulls.

    He's been a positive influence on Jozy Altidore, Clint Mathis, Seth Stamler and Dane Richards.

    Let's reserve judgement on Reyna until the playoffs are over - and the coach and players have weighed in.

    Much like with Yallop - I don't think the results necessarily tell you the full story.
     

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