MLS All-Stars vs Liga MX All-Stars

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Thai, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. Thai

    Thai Member

    Jul 1, 2012
    Hong Kong
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Saw this idea mentioned on the MLS website.

    I think this all-star game match-up once a year would help the MLS grow much more quickly than a once a year game against a foreign club like Man U, Chelsea, or Everton. Such a match-up would give North Americans and the rest of the world the impression that the two leagues are on about equal footing and the USA/Mexico rivalry would make for a hotly-contested game.

    Meanwhile, Liga MX would have the opportunity to expand its fanbase in the United States and Mexican expats living in the US would have the opportunity to watch some of their home league's stars in person.

    Make it happen!
     
  2. Achowat

    Achowat Member+

    Mar 21, 2011
    Revere, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I always thought that Liga MX is missing a huge opportunity by not having English broadcasts of their games. I mean, after the MLS season, I have European games in the morning, but nothing in this time zone. I would watch quite a bit of MX League games if I didn't feel dirty and unAmerican for doing so
     
  3. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Mexico does not do all stars, maybe getting a Mexican club to play would be easier.

    Also Scheduling, the game would have to be Early July or Late December, I doubt the FMF would stop the Liga MX (and the cup) to play an all-star game.

    Then again Money makes the world go round. Everything has a price.
     
  4. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I agree.

    It may be tough for Liga MX to wrap their heads around the benefits of an All Star game (and to be honest, it's hard for me sometimes too), but I think it would be fun and, more importantly, a chance to pull in a little extra cash.
     
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  5. LamarCardSoccer

    Apr 15, 2012
    College Station
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I disagree, Liga MX is not popular among non-spanish speakers. I don't think that type of game would do anything good for MLS.
     
  6. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You do know there's a whole lot of Spanish-speakers in America, though? Like, Americans who speak Spanish? And follow Liga MX? And spend money? And all that?

    I wouldn't do it all the time, and it would probably have diminishing returns, but it would be fun and (most likely) lucrative the first time out.
     
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  7. Unak78

    Unak78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Dec 17, 2007
    PSG & Enyimba FC
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Nigeria
    It doesn't have to be something done every season though. Perhaps you do it every 5 years or once per decade even. Or maybe it's an MLS 25 year anniversary thing. Mix it up.
     
  8. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Liga MX may be wary because of how top heavy MLS teams are. There's a very real chance the Mexican All Stars would get spanked.

    It makes more sense for the Liga MX teams to play club-v-club where their substantial depth gives them an edge.
     
  9. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hadn't thought about that.

    Just out of curiosity, would a Liga MX all star team look much dissimilar from the Mexican national team?
     
  10. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, no Chichirito, and Hercules Gomez would be on it. There would be a few other changes. I would like to see it, but again, Liga MX's strength is their quality 1-20, not their star power. I would say MLS team 1-3 are far better than MX, but Mexicans teams 4-20 are far better than MLS. So I can't see Liga MX exposing themselves like that.
     
  11. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which would mean, what, exactly, do you think?
     
  12. fccl9891

    fccl9891 New Member

    Aug 13, 2012
    Club:
    Valencia CF
    It would have players like Humberto Suazo (Chile NT), Carlos Darwin Quintero, Luis Amaranto Perea (Colombia NT), Oribe Peralta, Marco Fabian, Jesus Corona (Mexico NT/gold medalists), Felipe Baloy (Panama NT), Lucas Lobos (Argentina), Cesar Delgado (former Argentina NT player, Gold Medalist), Walter Ayovi, Christian Benitez (Ecuador NT), etc.
     
  13. Bubba1971

    Bubba1971 Member+

    Nov 12, 2010
    Los Angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I feel that they would think it would diminish their standing as the premire league in CONCACAF. I assume they already worry about losing market share to MLS, why would they want to strengthen MLS's position by playing to our strength?
     
  14. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That is a lot of forwards in the line up :p

    But yes a Liga MX all starts would be full NT players from south American and a few Brazilian.Argentinean players. Even goal keeper it would be between Corona and Vilar (Argentina).


    BTW timing would be an issue, it would have to be before the Liga MX starts during pre-season, some teams may not want to let their players go (then again money talks).


    It would be much easier to play against a Mexican club as someone above commented, maybe for the 20th anniversary they could play American or Chivas Guadalajara.
     
  15. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    Gomez wouldn't make the all-star team.
     
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  16. DCU1996

    DCU1996 Member

    Jun 3, 2002
    N. VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea Republic
    I doubt MX would waste time on side circus show.
     
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  17. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Riiiiiiiiight. Like how diminished the Premier League is when Chelsea comes over here and loses to us. Twice. And how MLS actually folded after Real Madrid beat our All-Stars in 2005 (which not a lot of people know! It's a whole new league now!).

    That's funny, in all the years we've been playing in the CONCACAF Champions League, all I've heard is how that's the measuring stick, how we have to win that and have to beat Mexican teams in that. Now it's a summer exhibition game between two sets of guys who practice maybe twice, with liberal substitution rules. So that's how market share gets determined! Thanks!

    Next you're going to tell me they thought our US Open Cup was so cool, that's why they brought back their cup! So they didn't lose "market share" among people who only like one league or the other!
     
  18. soccerusa517

    soccerusa517 Member+

    Jun 23, 2009
    Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    o_O
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe it should be

    Ascenso MX All stars vs. MLS All stars.

    In Copa MX (Mexico version of the Open Cup limited to D1 and D2) all 4 semifinalist are from 2nd Division.

    Some very good games, and yes the D1 teams had a mix of backups and starters playing and they did not take the tournament that serious, but still, D2 went 4 for 4 (3 wins in PK).
     
  20. It's called FOOTBALL

    LMX Clubs
    Mexico
    May 4, 2009
    Chitown
    That actually would be a good idea, in all seriousness.
    Paging WhiteStar Warriors...
     
  21. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You could make the argument that it wouldn't be a competition among even perceived peers. Would the Liga MX All-Stars play the NASL All-Stars? What would they have to gain? What would MLS have to gain by playing the stars of a second-division league?
     
  22. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It was more in terms of quality, Ascenso MX is more in the level of MLS than Liga MX.

    Is a shame Copa MX winners do not make the CCL, I think what ever team wins the Copa MX could do well in the CCL, much better than many Central American and CFU teams that is for sure.
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And if you're MLS, at no point in your lifetime would you ever do anything that would even remotely make a public statement to that effect.
     
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  24. barroldinho

    barroldinho Member+

    Man Utd and LA Galaxy
    England
    Aug 13, 2007
    US/UK dual citizen in HB, CA
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Different sitution though. The EPL, La Liga and so on, are well established as two of the top leagues in the World.

    Mexico is the top team in CONCACAF, but that's not saying much. MLS is arguably second now, despite soccer remaining a niche sport and nations like Honduras, Costa Rica and Guatemala having longer established leagues.

    As MLS continues to improve and as high profile DPs continue to raise the profile as well as contributing on the field, the size of gap between them and Liga MX is a constant source of debate.

    What better way to acknowledge MLS as a clear rival, than to make the time to pit your all-stars against theirs? That's a potential perception anyway.

    Of course, the other possibility is that the Mexican perspective follows the logic they applied to the Superliga: if MLS wins the game, then they'll claim it's a stupid exhibition game that they don't care about. If Liga MX wins, then they'll use it to assert their dominance.

    I don't like the All-Star game anyway. It's an unecessary game lumped awkwardly into the calendar of a league that already has multiple factors constraining and compressing it's schedule. The claim seems to be that we hold it because it brings in important revenues for the league. If that's the case, then I think we'll get top dollar by continuing to host top European teams, as they offer a more reliable draw.
     
  25. tedfirestone

    tedfirestone Member

    Feb 20, 2007
    Great Idea. Hold it in Houston or somewhere with a large Mexican American pop. and a brand new stadium you want to show off.

    The hardest part will be getting Liga MX on board due to scheduling and them not having experience with the concept (as far as I am aware).

    Whomever says their All Stars will be outclassed by ours is dead wrong. Just because you can't name their best players doesn't mean they aren't good. They get a higher class of South American talent and they have a good chunk of the Mexican National Team players who have had our number recently in meaningful games and won the Olympics.

    I think it can make for a great match-up and if we're lucky the players will play for a little pride.
     

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