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Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Feb 7, 2024.

  1. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He doesn't have internet?

    99% of opinions here are based on not watching in person. Plus a significant part of the potential NT pool from MLS a) didn't play last weekend and b) will be with Poch next month in camp.
     
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  2. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    In person would certainly be preferable—provided there are players he is legit interested in.
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So then why pay for coaches and scouts to travel around to watch players in person when streaming subscriptions are like 20 bucks a month?
     
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  4. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CMs don’t score many goals and Cristian played as a CM with little exception and has only played about 1700 minutes. The last time Wes scored a goal was over 1100 minutes ago, all playing with the A team. Musah had twice as many minutes before he scored a goa, all with the A team and he scored his one goal while playing winger. Hitting a CM for not scoring in half a season of minutes isn’t a serious position.
     
  5. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Before we hired Pochettino everyone seemed pretty okay with the likely risk that comes with an elite, non-American club coach. We know it is likely that a foreign coach won't care quite as much as an American. And we know that the elite club coaches may be using a spin as a national team coach in part to reduce hours and stress. There were also legitimate concerns that he'd want to put the time in for dual national recruiting.

    Sure, it'd be great if he was running all over the place, but I didn't expect it, and I suspect people are okay with the trade-off right now.
     
  6. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    Did the hedge fund guy get him an Apple subscription?
     
  7. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m sure MLS will give him a freebie.
     
  8. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have no doubt that any MLS team will provide him with all-22 video, fitness data and the personal opinion of the manager if he wants it . I don’t care if he goes to the game.
     
  9. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Nah, that dude is funding the Euro quota.
     
  10. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Nine windows is an eternity....
     
  11. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    He'll be able to see those players in his own sessions for a couple of weeks in January.
     
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  12. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Berhalter took over a year into the last cycle because he had to see out the season with the Columbus Crew not winning anything and we were told three years later that certain World Cup roster decisions were made because obviously he's going to prefer guys he's familiar with over ones he's only seen a few times...
     
  13. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Who are the players Berhalter developed an early relationship ship that he took to Qatar because he was "familiar" with them? Zardes, Trapp, and Steffen were supposedly locked in forever because he had coached them in Columbus.

    Berhalter could have coached that final season with the Crew and then sat on a beach for the entire next season before coming to the US job, and he still would have had more than enough time to do whatever he needed to do to prepare for the World Cup. The consternation at that time -- when we basically didn't even have a team because the current one obviously wasn't going to play any role whatsoever going forward and the generation that was going to was too young -- we didn't even know who most of those guys were! As I was saying... the consternation over not having a coach and then the completely meaningless decisions that Berhalter was making in those early days was absolutely out of control.

    The 18 months that Poch has is more than enough to do everything that he could possibly ever want to do.
     
  14. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe a few of these guys? Of course there was also tons of time wasted with guys like Sebastian Lletget and Paul Arriola who didn't make the WC roster... and Lovitz 2019

    Aaron Long (New York Red Bulls; 29/3; Oak Hills, Calif.)
    Shaq Moore (Nashville SC; 15/1; Powder Springs, Ga.)
    DeAndre Yedlin (Inter Miami CF; 75/0; Seattle, Wash.)
    Kellyn Acosta (LAFC; 53/2; Plano, Texas)
    Cristian Roldan (Seattle Sounders FC; 32/0; Pico Rivera, Calif.)
    Jesús Ferreira (FC Dallas; 15/7; McKinney, Texas)
    Jordan Morris (Seattle Sounders; 49/11; Mercer Island, Wash.)

    I guess we'll find out one way or the other in the summer of 2026
     
  15. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s never been a time where everyone who plays in a cycle makes a World Cup. Conor Casey’s Honduras brace is legendary and he didn’t see the World Cup. EJ rescued points in Antigua and he didn’t etc. This stuff seems like complaining for the exercise.
     
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  16. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Sessions which won’t be the same competitive atmosphere of a knockout game.
     
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  17. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Yeah, but the player will be doing what he asks them to in the environment that he sets up, and he will be right next to them and communicating directly with them face to face. As others have pointed out, he can watch that knockout game whenever he wants to.
     
  18. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    Okay, but then no need for Poch to attend Serie A or EPL games or anything else easily accessible on screen.
     
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  19. eagercolin

    eagercolin Member+

    Metro
    United States
    Aug 25, 2017
    Buffalo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It warms my heart to see people getting worked up over Poch seeming to snub a Metro legend like John Tolkin. I don't think it's a big deal, though. We could ask "why was he here when he could have been there" every week from August through May. The reality is that the vast majority of his scouting will be done at a distance. I also think there's real value to USSF in better relations between the men's and women's teams, so I've got no beef with Poch supporting Hayes at Wembley.
     
  20. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    True. He probably goes to those out of his own interest or because he's already there for whatever reason.
     
  21. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The point of it is to select the right players (you can further evaluate) in the 1st place.

    Now, I think you can actually evaluate players better w/ a full game tape, as opposed to in person, which helps you more evaluate team tactics. But the argument you made was an ironic one.

    He's also going to games of existing domestics like Ream & then sending assistants to other matches. So he values in-person assessment to a degree. But not enough to attend these games.

    It's not surprising the Euro-based manager is Euro-centric. He values being at Euro games more, even during Jan camp prep. But he should be expected to at least show the respect to be at MLS Cup.
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm a little worried that we'll see Steffen amongst the callups and Celentano or Freese will be left off.
     
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  24. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be disappointing, and suggest that Poch isn't really paying close attention to MLS (aside from Leagues Cup apparently)
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Or he sees Steffen as a long term reclamation project. No one picked is going to be great and the backups may all be quite a bit behind Turner. Could be you have to be at practices to notice and also see what he wants them to do.
     

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