MLS 2024 Flavors of the Week

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by OWN(yewu)ED, Feb 7, 2024.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, if you look at the payroll numbers across the league there's the top couple of teams (Miami and TFC are far higher than everyone), and then there's a huge logjam of teams that all are within $1M-$2M of one another. Seattle is spending right around what they've always spent. The rest of the league is spending in the same area or more nowadays. Not to mention there's 30 teams now.....Seattle was usually top 3 in spending when the league had 15-20 teams. It's doubled in size and the teams that have come in, nearly all are spending at Seattle's level or higher.
     
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  2. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    Seattle I also think is at a crossroad where they're stuck between wanting to rebuild and keep the band together. Lodiero is gone, Ruidiaz is leaving at end of the year.

    That being said, when you have home grown players step up like Seattle has, it makes not spending much easier. Jackson Regan, Paul Rothrock, Obed Vargas, and Josh Atencio were all over 1000 minutes (first 3 being starters). Reed Baker Whiting and Danny Leyva have also become rotation players (RBW likely becoming a starter sooner than later)
     
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  3. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Seattle's ownership group is not particularly wealthy. So while they have had good attendance, they've made a conscious effort to control spending. As other teams have grown, they've relatively dropped while spending similar amounts.

    It's a huge mistake -- they used to draw 40,000 and they are drawing low 30s this year because the team is mediocre and frankly a bit boring. A smart ownership group would realize this and make sure the Ruidiaz replacement is a star.

    But I suspect they won't -- Lagerway left for a reason, and they replaced him with a guy who basically is known for low payroll teams.
     
  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #1979 Clint Eastwood, Nov 8, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2024
    Seattle's ownership is wealthy if they want to be. :)
    If Jody Allen wants to spend all of her brother's money on soccer...................

    Like FC Dallas' ownership.

    Both middle of the pack now in salary outlay. A whole lot of clubs in about the same place.

    MLS payroll by team 2024 | Statista

    There's such a thin line between success and failure in MLS. Philly is an example of that.
    It doesn't take much to slide. It also doesn't take much to go the other way back up the table.

    Sustainable long-term success is difficult.
     
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  5. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Nicolas Lodeiro is no longer with the team.
     
  6. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    #1981 Clint Eastwood, Nov 8, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 8, 2024
    Seattle only finished 7 points off the top of the West. 4th place.

    Make a couple of astute signings this off-season (like the Galaxy did last off-season), and they're back competing for SS.

    I do like some of their young homegrown players.

    Some years the mix of veteran and young/developing players doesn't work.
     
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  7. bose03

    bose03 Member

    United States
    Nov 26, 2023
    How do you know Tanner is forcing a 4-4-2 diamond? Why would the sporting director have a say over what formation they use
     
  8. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    Seattle have the Club World Cup coming up next summer. I'd assume they make at least one big signing (Ruidiaz's replacement) before then. Isn't Rusnak also up for renewal? He could be replaced with a bigger name or resigned at a lower, non-DP deal. They have another DP or U22 spots, too? I'm not exactly sure how the new roster declarations work.

    In any case, seems like the roster is ripe for some retooling/additions, and I'm sure they recognize the stage that they'll be on with the Club World Cup.
     
  9. don Lamb

    don Lamb Member+

    mine
    United States
    Aug 31, 2017
    The sporting director or technical director often has the biggest say in some of the big overarching things like that. In this case, the coach has to work within the parameters set by the director that he reports to, and it can be a similar idea with a general manager buying players for the coach to use. Different organizations are set up in different ways and use different titles with different roles and responsibilities, though.

    This would be an interesting topic for TSS or another pod to cover.
     
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  10. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    One team that has done it pretty well is Seattle. Not so sure about this year as I haven't really been able to follow too much (almost none) of MLS for the pasts couple of years. Not sure you could say their HG's are "great", but they have played a few key young players that have played crucial roles in their success.
     
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  11. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Exactly. Not great but solid and really help out with the cap. Their stars have aged out and retired so it greatly depends on replacements.
     
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  12. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    I think that the best path, on a budget , to a consistently top level team in MLS is to 1) shoot for as many as possible but at least 3-5 solid players that came through the academy (I know, academies aren't cheap to run...) and 2) choose wisely on dp's who may not be the biggest names but give excellent bang for the buck.

    That may be enough to win a championship/SS or two but, If they can manage to be consistently good, when an elite prospect comes through, that could really put the icing on the cake. (of course, they will have to hold on to the elite prospect for a year or two...maybe as part of a loanback deal).
     
  13. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Atlanta going for the dagger of breaking up the Miami story that is supposed to happen
     
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  14. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Lagerwey does it again.
     
  15. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
  16. melatoninlol

    melatoninlol Member

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Oct 27, 2019
    Near Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ownership/Waibel have said that we'll be spending this offseason, the roster is just in a weird spot. We whiffed on Chu (a u22 signing who had flashes but barely even makes the bench now), Pedro De La Vega spent most of the season fighting a hamstring injury and is still figuring out how he fits in with our team.

    More weirdness is that Rusnak had an excellent season (10g, 16a), and Morris is a good 9 (13g 5a) (which he's always been but until Ruidiaz got injured/old he played on the wing instead) so it's hard to justify really replacing either unless you're getting an MVP caliber player in those positions.

    Our ideal signing would probably be a killer winger like a Pec/Paintsil and with Obed likely on the way out in the next 12-18 months at most and Joao Paulo showing his age (and being injured) some sort of high TAM 6 or 8 profile player. We do have a couple of young 6/8 profile players also on the bench and in Tacoma (another 17 year old starts frequently for Defiance in midfield for us, 6s and 8s are what our academy excels at apparently).

    Our roster is in a good spot and we have a lot of GOOD players, but we don't have the killer elites that a Miami or LAFC or Columbus have, and getting one for our team might be a bridge too far for ownership now.
     
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Of course, Miami and Columbus are no longer in the playoffs. Seattle is.

    Let's not write the eulogy on Seattle's season just yet. :) :)

    The Sounders have the best defense in the league. Conceded only 35 goals in 34 regular season games. It could just be that you win this title with defense and timely goals rather than the offense we're used to.
     
  18. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Pochettino confirms there will be January camp. Good news.
     
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  19. Marko72

    Marko72 Member+

    Aug 30, 2005
    New York

    Well, considering how much we're paying him, it's nice to know that he'll be occupied with something between the end of next week and March...
     
  20. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It would be an interesting study to compare academy budgets, HG player sales and player acquisitions. A good academy "could" pay for itself and more.
     
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  21. melatoninlol

    melatoninlol Member

    Seattle Sounders
    United States
    Oct 27, 2019
    Near Boston
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's the hope, but we've run into our bogey team in LAFC. They've beaten us FOUR times this season already and it's generally the same blueprint. Maybe being at home in the playoffs will put pressure on them to want to possess the ball more but Dolo seems largely fine with allowing us to have the ball and just counter us to death.
     
  22. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I remember when OU beat KU in the Big 8 regular season and Big 8 tournament and met them again in the NCAA final and I thought just what you are right now. They won the most important game against them so you just never know. One thing BShredder said on twitter about Miami losing to Atlanta is in the playoffs the effort goes all the way up. Can LAFC put more effort into it to match what Seattle or were they already giving their all?
     
  23. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    McGlynn and Sullivan


    Luna and Cowell


    Cremaschi (and Vargas)


    Tolkin


    Celentano Brady Schulte
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Interesting coaching news.

    Dallas hasn't retained Peter Luccin.
    Instead chose former MLSer Eric Quill. One wonders if this signifies some return to their player development roots. Quill was the coach of New Mexico this year, and they had a great season in the USL.
    FC Dallas taps Eric Quill as the club's 9th head coach - 3rd Degree

    “Eric’s coaching philosophy and methodology align perfectly with FC Dallas’ commitment to player development and attacking soccer,” said Chief Soccer Officer André Zanotta. “He has a deep understanding of our ecosystem and the values that drive our club, from the Academy to the first team. Eric’s ability to maximize player potential and his innovative approach to the game make him an ideal leader for this next chapter of FC Dallas.”
     
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  25. BMWDeuce

    BMWDeuce Member

    AC Milan
    United States
    Aug 15, 2024
    I know he was linked early as Quill was coach of North Texas in the past, but seemed like they were gonna stick with Luccin. Quill though has earned a chance
     

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