MLS 2020 Attendance Thread

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by POdinCowtown, Feb 6, 2020.

  1. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    I work at Texas Tech (at the Health Sciences Center) where we're 100+ miles from anything and have no cases reported, and we just got a travel ban internationally and will need Dean/VP/Provost approval domestically for work related activities. That includes things like academic conferences and other standard activities now needing proof of extenuating circumstances for university approval.

    Personal travel to any level 3 country comes with registration with the university ahead of the trip and a mandatory 14 day self-isolation off campus after returning. Personal domestic travel will need a travel form filled out and filed beforehand and then testing when we return. All of that runs through April 30 and is expected to be pushed out through much of the year.

    To give you an idea of what we're hearing, the low end of projections right now are 30-40% of the US will get the virus and 10-15% of that population will need hospital treatment. That means probably over 100 million total cases and 10-15 million hospital visits. The US has fewer than 1 million hospital beds.

    This thing most likely isn't going to kill a huge number of people, but it's going to disrupt a lot of lives for a big chunk of 2020. I'm fairly sure that the Olympics are done and wouldn't be surprised if the NHL and NBA playoffs are significantly affected. This might even dig into part of football season in the fall.
     
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  3. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    There were health notices on the video board on Saturday. I didn't notice any on Sunday.
     
  4. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But a hospital visit doesn't mean a hospital stay and you don't need to go to a hospital to get tested. Walk-in clinics are popping up in New York City like Starbucks.
     
  5. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    #205 TheJoeGreene, Mar 10, 2020
    Last edited: Mar 10, 2020
    I didn't say visit, I said treatment. That's for those who test positive. Those, along with testing of others, are going to take up beds in hospitals, and we've got about 1/10 of what's needed for the low end of expectations. I'll stick with the professionals on this one.
     
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  6. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, let's say we have 15 million people requiring hospital treatment and 1 million beds, how long is the typical hospital stay before people either kick the bucket or are sent home to self-quarantine?
     
  7. TheJoeGreene

    TheJoeGreene Member+

    Aug 19, 2012
    The Lubbock Texas
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Germany
    Neither you nor I know that information, but the entire point of limiting travel and large gatherings is to slow the spread of the virus so that the health care system isn't completely overrun. Dealing with 10-15 million people over the next 6 months is likely doable. The same number of people in the next 6 weeks would stress the system to the point of breaking.

    I don't need all the details. The people making these decisions know more than likely everyone on BS combined. I'd rather follow what they say, even if it means being overly cautious, than waste my time questioning everything. I'm working from home today because I've been having issues with allergies the past 4-5 days and we've got a pretty liberal leave policy right now due to the virus. If this was last spring, I would have gone in without question.
     
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  8. AlbertCamus

    AlbertCamus Member+

    Colorado Rapids
    Sep 2, 2005
    Colorado, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    That's my understanding, - a lot of people are going to get this, the goal is to spread out the time they get this so the medical system can handle it.

    The interesting thing about sports in situations like this, is that while sports is big business, it is fundamentally unimportant. That is in part why we enjoy it.
     
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  9. Kejsare

    Kejsare Member+

    Portland Timbers
    Mar 10, 2010
    Virginia
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just got this email:
     
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  10. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It depends on when those 15 million people require hospital treatment. If that 15 million people is spread out over months and months and never reaches a point where there are a million in need of hospitalization at any one time, that's one thing, but if those 15 million roll up on hospitals in a short period of time, such that more than a million need hospitalization, you're hosed.. That also assumes those 15 million people are spread out over the country equally, but since that hasn't been the case with any of the infections so far, hospitals can get overwhelmed at much lower numbers. Take what is happening in Italy right now. Since the infections are largely concentrated in northern Italy, the hospitals in northern Italy are overwhelmed and are sticking people wherever they can find a place for them and refusing to accept patients with even life threatening issues, while the hospitals in southern Italy are largely operating as normal.
     
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  11. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does Italy have Universal healthcare? Are the italians going to the doctor going to be saddled with bills in the thousands for going to get their COVID-19 treated? Just thinking about how we may not end up with as severe a strain on the healthcare system here. It's likely that it will, but I think a lot of folks will choose to stay home. If I get it, I'll certainly just be staying home unless I feel like I'm going to stop breathing.
     
  12. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

    Houston Dynamo
    United States
    Jul 16, 2017
    And as hospitals fill up, others requiring treatment from every day problems will go without and mortality will rise.
     
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  13. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. Italy has universal healthcare. It is also happening in one of the most developed regions of Italy where they have some of the country's best hospital systems.
     
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  14. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Side note! We've gone super sidetracked for this thread. We have a thread to discuss covid-19's impact on MLS here:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/corona-virus-and-its-effects-on-mls.2109287/#post-38562837

    and, if you are brave/stupid enough, a thread to discuss the impact of covid-19 in a broader sense here:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/coronavirus-a-global-pandemic.2109049/

    I just don't recommend going to the second link as it is in the PC&E forum and that is... shall we say... lightly moderated.;)
     
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  15. Dyvel

    Dyvel Member+

    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic

    If you go to the PC&E forum, you might never come back. you'll be stuck there, arguing for years.
     
  16. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
  17. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    The XFL game in Seattle against L.A. will be played without fans.
     
  18. GunnerJacket

    GunnerJacket Moderator
    Staff Member

    Sep 18, 2003
    Gainesville, GA
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    So no effect then.
     
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  19. newtex

    newtex Member+

    May 25, 2005
    Houston
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    The Seattle Dragons have drawn reasonably big crowds: 29,172 and 22,060.
    That's the 2nd highest average.
     
  20. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn't put money on that. 48 hours from now things will have changed a lot.
     
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  21. The Marquis

    The Marquis Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2007
    Washougal, WA
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That TV money tho
     
  22. crookeddy

    crookeddy Member+

    Apr 27, 2004
    Not a huge change case wise, but huge change response wise.
     
  23. SabreKhan

    SabreKhan Member+

    Jun 25, 2007
    United States
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Move Coronavirus!
     
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  24. POdinCowtown

    POdinCowtown Member+

    Jan 15, 2002
    Columbus
    Yeah, their business metrics are poor due to lack of fan support.
     
  25. soccermilitant

    soccermilitant Member+

    Jan 14, 2009
    St.paul
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

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