...Continued... Don't get all pissy about the new name either. This is why we have this thread...to seek the real answers to these questions.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread I see the Pentagon is trying to play a shell game between 250 tons of munitions and 380 tons of explosives. Of course, even if their story checks out, we're ONLY left with 130 TONS of explosives/munitions unaccounted for. I'd blame the President, but that wouldn't be patriotic. So I'll blame the troops. Stupid troops.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread "Missing" with a question mark? Of course they're not "missing". Somebody's got 'em. We just don't know who yet.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread The Russians, of course...no wait, WE have them.....errr....
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread They're missing, Garcia - no need for the question mark. The only debatable issues now are who took them, how they did it and how many people are going to die as a result of it. We're not even debating "when" anymore.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Maybe you should alert the media and call the Pentagon with your information. Oh yea, this is where you got all your information in the first place. I don't see all the facts, but you go ahead and take this discussion anywhere you desire.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread By the sounds of their press conference earlier today, they seem to know the information quite well. The explosives were there, they're now not there, and nobody knows where they went. Not even the major who they propped up to talk today can tell you where the explosives are. That doesn't meet the definition of "missing" in your book?
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Sorry, but if you saw the Pentagon briefing earlier today, they made no sense...No real explanatios were given, information could not be corroborated, etc ...Of course, if you look at the thread that just got closed, and its last post, you realize only Fox is fully capable of producing sensible spin out of the completely unclear info the Pentagon gave... Missing weapons, no doubt....what is now in doubt is what will be the next excuse
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread You are very correct. "details" like Al-Qaqaa are not something that a CEO worries about. BUT A good manager delegates tasks (invade Iraq), but is also responsible for communicating his key objectives to his people. So a bad manager gives the following order; "Bring me the head of Saddam Hussain on a plate" A good manager gives the following orders; Iraq is a threat. Remove that threat. I expect you to do the following; a) get Saddam and top Iraqi leaders b) protect the oil fields c) minimize civilian casualties d) make sure WMD and related stuff are secured so nobody nefarious gets em. Now if Bush never set (d) as an expectation, he can be faulted. If he did, but the generals dropped (d) from the list because they did not have enough troops, then its not Bush's fault (unless you believe the administration pressured the generals to invade on the cheap, which I do) I think Bush is a bad CEO, so I doubt he even thought ahead to clearly communicate more than (a) and (b).
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/10042037.htm Knight-Ridder, kicking ass again.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Is it just me, or is the press actually doing their job for the first time since 9-11?
Could we guess that the "terrorists" have the explosives? If so, these guys not only knew and planned before the fall of the city, they were in operation in the city. Geez, the question mark in the thread title is rhetorical at this point anyway. But let me see if I could pick up the debate from where we are at this stage.
If you read between the lines, you can tell the military is not willing to get thrown under the bus on this one. I just wish this story had broken a week earlier.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread I'm sure the US military confiscated all of it and then forgot where they put it. Yeah, that's the story. I mean, it's not like a spokesperson in Rumsfeld's Pentagon would ever lie or anything, right? ---- edit ----- First page!!!!
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread If that is the case, would the unit's movements and actions be part of some sort of official record? And if so, would that be classified?
It was Colonel Mustard-Gas, in the Desert, with a Fleet of 18wheelers/10-ton trucks. OK, now show me the cards.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Maybe you should ask someone who knows a lot about the military, like, oh, for instance, Attacking Minded.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread IMO that's a better summary of a CEO's responsibilities than the one I gave.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Thanks for making my point because in 300 plus posts in the last thread who could claim to know all the facts, even without the misinformation. But hey, let's keep at it. I am sure things will be worked out and that seems to be our common goal.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread And you don't think the fact the CIC doesn't know is a little disturbing? Doesn't this underscore the fact that this whole Iraq fiasco was poorly planned and executed? Bush can't run away from this fast enough. So far, we've had twelve(?) excuses coming out of BushCo., none of which implies the slightest bit of responsibility on their part.
Re: 380 TONS of Explosives Missing in Iraq? Thread Show me where I imply anything on these points? What bothers me is the public's need to know versus the administration's need to hide and lie. I don't think we need to know everything at the exact moment we ask for answers, but I don't like the concept of being lied to. If you know, post it. If you don't have facts, present your version but not as fact. Otherwise, I'll be happy with my own cup of STFU. I have nothing to add. CiC? Bush? Ha, good one btw. If anyone still thinks that guy has a clue about anything being done in his name, should...I think I'll just stop there.