Miscellaneous Premier League Stats

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by comme, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
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    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  2. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Continuing the DBS Calcio ratings comparisons into 1998/99 (I might not go further than this myself) with the ratings again shown in bold for the players making OPTA's top 10 for each positional ranking based on their points allocations:

    Goalkeepers
    1 Shaka Hislop West Ham 990 (6.51)

    2 Nigel Martyn Leeds 902 (6.35)

    3 Neil Sullivan Wimbledon 896 (6.29)

    4 Pavel Srnicek Sheff Wed 797 (6.29)

    5 Mark Schwarzer Middlesbro 784 (6.08)

    6 David Seaman Arsenal 763 (6.37)

    7 Kasey Keller Leicester 700 (6.23)

    8 Ed de Goey Chelsea 699 (6.17)

    9 Thomas Myhre Everton 669 (5.95)

    10 Paul Jones Southampton 639 (6.01)


    Defenders

    1 Sol Campbell Tottenham 1103 (6.81)

    2 Frank Leboeuf Chelsea 1102 (6.46)

    3 Jaap Stam Man Utd 1079 (6.48)

    4 Tony Adams Arsenal 1063 (6.77)

    5 Lucas Radebe Leeds 1033 (6.68)

    6 Nikos Dabizas Newcastle 1031 (5.66)

    7 Paul Williams Coventry 1001 (6.02)

    8 Nigel Winterburn Arsenal 983 (6.15)

    9 Matt Elliott Leicester 969 (6.46)

    10 Emerson Thome Sheff Wed 961 (6.29)


    Midfielders

    1 Dietmar Hamann Newcastle 1119 (6.39)

    2 Gustavo Poyet Chelsea 1103 (6.37)

    3 Emmanuel Petit Arsenal 1084 (6.66)

    4 Patrik Berger Liverpool 1061 (5.93)

    5 Roy Keane Man Utd 1035 (6.65)

    6 Patrick Vieira Arsenal 1029 (6.54)

    7 Mark Kinsella Charlton 1023 (6.46)

    8 Paul Ince Liverpool 1018 (6.27)

    9 Jamie Redknapp Liverpool 1001 (6.57)

    10 David Ginola Tottenham 994 (6.29)


    Attackers

    1 Dennis Bergkamp Arsenal 1079 (6.29)

    2 Dwight Yorke Man Utd 1017 (6.40)

    3 Gianfranco Zola Chelsea 1013 (6.36)

    4 Michael Owen Liverpool 1002 (6.27)

    5 Andy Cole Man Utd 978 (6.24)

    6 Nicolas Anelka Arsenal 964 (6.24)

    7 Duncan Ferguson Newcastle 948 (6.11)

    8 Robbie Fowler Liverpool 939 (6.08)

    9 Tore Andre Flo Chelsea 910 (6.44)

    10 Jimmy Hasselb'nk Leeds 902 (6.15)
     
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  3. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    It's hard to believe that OPTA and Actim rated in 2008-09 Anelka and Kuijt a lot higher than Steven Gerrard in that same season (who played a comparable role and job).
     
  4. comme

    comme Moderator
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    Feb 21, 2003
    Did you have those indices for that year?
     
  5. annoyedbyneedoflogin

    Jun 11, 2012
    I can't help but notice how the OPTA rating system for GKs favours the weaker teams.
     
  6. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Oh, for OPTA I read incorrectly. The OPTA Index shown on the previous page was for 2007-08. Think I saw it once for 2008-09 as well but will look.

    For Actim 2008-09 I have the yearbook. They did select sometimes different players of the season than their own index. "[T]he panel of football experts and pundits had analysed team and individual player performances across all 92 English League clubs to produce its definitive 2008/09 'Player of the Season' [...] [T]he panel looked at criteria such as clean sheets, goals scored, assists, number of games played and man of the match performances to cherry pick those players who made the biggest impact."

    Arsenal: Robin van Persie
    Aston Villa: Ashley Young
    Blackburn Rovers: Stephen Warnock
    Bolton Wanderers: Kevin Davies
    Chelsea: Frank Lampard
    Everton: Phil Jagielka
    Fulham: Brede Hangeland
    Hull City: Michael Turner
    Liverpool: Steven Gerrard
    Manchester City: Stephen Ireland
    Manchester United: Nemanja Vidic
    Middlesbrough: Stewart Downing
    Newcastle United: Sebastian Bassong
    Portsmouth: Nadir Belhadj
    Stoke City: Rory Delap
    Sunderland: Steed Malbranque
    Tottenham Hotspur: Aaron Lennon
    West Bromwich Albion: Chris Brunt
    West Ham United: Scott Parker
    Wigan Athletic: Antonio Valencia

    [​IMG]

    (click to enlarge and read better)

    They have lots of stats in that book (not all very relevant). I will look what is worth to share. For ex. there were five players with 10 assists this season: Berbatov, Gerrard, Lampard, Van Persie, Fabregas.

    Cristiano had the most shots on target (just like 2007-08), followed by Lampard, Taylor and Rooney.

    Gerrard the most off target (Cristiano in 2007-08), followed by Lampard and Cristiano on a joint 2nd place.

    (pics maybe later)
     
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  7. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Also think the OPTA Index can be interesting in the sense of spotting players who aren't particularly productive, especially goals (makes sense that those 'bottom up' indexes give great weight to goals and assists). That can signal those players did other useful things (as hinted by ProZone too). For example most of all the industrious Bellamy in 2001-02 as well as Bergkamp and Andy Cole too this season.


    I found (part of) the Actim Index for 2006-07



    GK: David James (489 pts)

    Defenders: Steve Finnan (469 pts), Ricardo Carvalho (463 pts), Rio Ferdinand (461 pts), Phil Neville (454 pts)

    Midfield: Cristiano Ronaldo (617 pts), Frank Lampard (572 pts), Mikel Arteta (567 pts), Cesc Fabregas (565 pts)

    Forwards: Didier Drogba (628 pts), Dimitar Berbatov (611 pts)



    Final position rankings:

    Keepers

    1 david james 489

    2 marcus hahnemann 482

    3 tim howard 467

    4 edwin van der sar 462

    5 jose reina 462



    Defenders

    1 steve finnan 469

    2 ricardo carvalho 463

    3 rio ferdinand 461

    4 phil neville 454

    5 kolo toure 454

    6 joleon lescott 452



    Midfielders

    1 cristiano ronaldo 617

    2 frank lampard 572

    3 mikel arteta 567

    4 cesc fabregas 565

    5 gareth barry 561



    Strikers

    1 didier drogba 628

    2 dimitar berbatov 611

    3 wayne rooney 580

    4 benni mccarthy 535

    5 gabriel agbonlahor 517

    6 andy johnson 498 (was neck-and-neck with Berbatov until the last injury)


    Or per minute:

    Actim Awards
    Årets målvakt:: Marcus Hahnemann, 489 poäng (0,138 / minut)
    Årets back: Steve Finnan, 469 poäng (0,15 / minut)
    Årets mittfältare: Cristiano Ronaldo, 617 päng (0,21 / minut)
    Årets forward: Didier Drogba, 628 poäng (0,20 / minut)

    Säsongens Actim-lag
    Hahnemann
    Finnan, Carvalho, Ferdinand, P.Neville
    Ronaldo, Lampard, Fabregas, Arteta
    Drogba, Berbatov

    United's bästa på respektive position, räknat per minut:
    Edvin van der Sar, 462 poäng (0,15 / minut)
    Gary Neville, 406 poäng (0,19 / minut)
    Louis Saha, 348 poäng (0,199 / minut)


    https://www.svenskafans.com/england/170346.aspx
     
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  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Just saying but this is actually 2006-07
     
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  9. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to NBC Sports Network, David de Gea had 14 saves to tie the Premier League record since saves became an official statistic in 2003-2004.
     
  10. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    (also to @PDG1978)

    Looked at the yearbook here and before his injury he was also #1 overall (not merely in his position), but then at the home stretch - exactly at the time Arsenal jumped to #1 in the league table - Thierry Henry edged him in the index. Also Sol Campbell missed four of the five remaining games. With Pires out for the last eight games, the chess pieces got re-aligned (even if slightly) and Henry jumped ahead.

    Unlike 2000-01, where they are only really complimentary about two Arsenal players (or three including Henry), they are here really positive about five in the yearbook. Pires, Henry, Ljungberg, Bergkamp and Ashley Cole.

    Nowadays perhaps more overlooked than the "cool" (as FFT put it) Henry, Pires and The Iceman, Ljungberg was back in time: "Like Pires, Ljungberg missed a large chunk of the 2001-02 season with injury, but he returned as the title race reached its climax to score some vital goals taking his total to 12 - more than any other midfielder in the Premiership. Dennis Bergkamp set up a large number of Ljungberg's goals in the run-in to Arsenal's season and his fine form was recognized [...]" Later on in the book about Ljungberg: "his dazzling run of six goals in the last six Premiership matches effectively won the title for Arsenal."

    Regardless, Pires led the way overall for this praised (and memorable) team until his injury, whereafter Henry jumped ahead. Not to forget he was one of the few (they suggest: one of the two) Arsenal players who could deal with their main weakness: "while they continued to sparkle away from North London with their incisive brand of counter-attacking football, the Gunners laboured to break down the packed defences which teams fielded at Highbury."

    Sorry for this longer text than just saying "Pires was #1 overall until injury", but thought a bit more context would be appropriate.
     
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  11. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Correct, he tied the in game record of Mannone and Krul.

    All three set in the last four years.
     
  12. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    The Premier League website shows the saves by goalkeepers since 2006.

    This video, the part after 6:30, got me thinking about listing the saves per goal conceded for some notable goalkeepers.



    Saves per goal conceded in the Premier League (since 2006)

    Van der Sar 3.29
    Cech 3.01
    De Gea 2.90
    Schwarzer 2.63
    Howard 2.58
    Lehmann 2.58
    Hart 2.52
    Friedel 2.52
    Reina 2.43
    Gomes 2.41
    Jaaskelainen 2.39
    K. Schmeichel 2.36
    Courtois 2.36
    Foster 2.35
    Lloris 2.33
    Szczesny 2.31
    Begovic 2.28
    Fabianski 2.28
    Green 2.22
    Mignolet 2.15
    Robinson 1.66
     
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  13. EvanJ

    EvanJ Member+

    Manchester United
    United States
    Mar 30, 2004
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The USA is the only country with two goalkeepers above 2.50. Joe Hart is the only English player in the top thirteen.
     
  14. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    David James is not listed but at 2.66 since 2006.

    Pickford with 2.34 at the moment has possibilities (14 clean sheets). Butland at the age of 25 has 'only' 20 clean sheets but is at 2.48.
     
  15. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    [​IMG]

    All goalscorers ever for United.

    Had tentatively expected some a bit higher.

    Foreign players:

    1) Van Nistelrooij
    2) Solskjaer
    3) Ronaldo
    4) Cantona
    5) Yorke
    6) Javier Hernandez
    7) Van Persie
    8) Berbatov
    9) Keane
    10) Saha
     
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  16. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #41 PuckVanHeel, May 16, 2019
    Last edited: May 16, 2019
    So updating this old post - series of posts - now for 2010 - 2020 (some move to 2015 - 2025 eventually). I use the PL website for the goals, penalties and assists, and use bdfutbol for the minutes.

    https://www.premierleague.com/stats
    https://www.bdfutbol.com/es/j/j95685.html?p=stats


    2010 - 2020 non-penalty goals + assists per 90 minutes

    Salah 0.95 (will eventually go to the 'others' category or to 2015 - 2025)
    Jesus 0.94 (but only 3344 minutes so far)
    Aguero 0.92
    Suarez 0.87 (will go to 'others')
    Aubameyang 0.86
    Diego Costa 0.80
    Sane 0.78
    Dzeko 0.77
    Kane 0.77
    Sturridge 0.75
    Son Hueng Min 0.73
    Lacazette 0.71
    Javier Hernandez 0.71
    De Bruyne 0.68
    Alexis Sanchez 0.68
    Lukaku 0.67
    Mane 0.64
    Firmino 0.62
    Dele Alli 0.61
    Coutinho 0.60
    Sterling 0.58
    Eriksen 0.57
    Vardy 0.57
    Hazard 0.56
    David Silva 0.56
    Ozil 0.54
    Mkhitaryan 0.52
    Bernardo Silva 0.49
    Ryan Fraser 0.48
    Pogba 0.46
    Aaron Ramsey 0.46
    Sigurdsson 0.46
    Willian 0.39


    Any names that would be good to look up @PDG1978? (not necessarily for the top - I also asked this for the previous periods I know)
     
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  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Mahrez maybe?

    I guess Mata's calculation will have gone down a bit recently (although his minutes played haven't been high either). Maybe worth calculating his figure too though.

    @comme or others might have some more ideas.
     
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  18. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I think there was a table shown on Football Focus or MOTD recently, that listed the players who have scored and assisted in the same single Premier League game the most times.

    The reason was that Callum Wilson had now joined the list (which wasn't very long - I think Shearer, Henry and Van Persie might have been the only ones with more games where they scored at least once and assisted at least once too).

    I doubt his overall rate of goals+assists per game is so impressive, but maybe worth having a look anyway.
     
  19. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    #44 PuckVanHeel, May 16, 2019
    Last edited: May 16, 2019
    Also saw this now (effectively similar as what I'm trying):

    https://www.foxsportsasia.com/footb...s-per-goal-or-assist-ratio-in-premier-league/



    Thanks. That's very interesting info what you say here. I've searched briefly whether I can find that info in full but only saw there are three players since 1992 with a goal, assist and own goal in the same game (Kevin Davies, Rooney, Bale).

    Callum Wilson is at 0.53; Mata at 0.52 (yes he has gone down but still good in this respect for a player of his type)

    Anyway, it's safe to say Aguero will top 2010 - 2020 and Salah will either go to 'others' (if he moves away) or 2015 - 2025 for sure.
     
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  20. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    This has to be put next to other angles (i.e. World Cup record, Champions League record and so on) but found this too. I was aware about the Lampard player of the decade thing, this is from later.


    October 2017:

    Van Persie has had most impact in 15 years of Fink Tank

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    On the tenth anniversary of the Fink Tank in 2012, we set out to establish which players had contributed most to their teams in terms of points. Now, as we mark 15 years of Fink Tank (you celebrated quietly at home I realise, but we went out for a Chinese), we have updated the analysis to take account of five more years of data.

    Our player model allows us to assess, through observing every move in every game, how much (to give a few examples of the full list) a player’s possession or loss of possession, passing, fouling, set pieces, tackling, blocking, and scoring contributes to the probability of the team scoring or conceding goals.

    We are then able to compare a player’s contribution to the average player of the same type. Off-the-ball movement remains a bit of a blind spot, I’m afraid.

    Dr Henry Stott, Dr Mark Latham and Dr Dinesh Vatvani then calculate the number of points a player has added to their team over time.

    The first time we did the analysis Frank Lampard came out the clear winner, and even though he has now retired, he still remains the best midfield player of the entire period.

    Inevitably, though, the extra five years have allowed other players to overtake. It’s important to note that the original analysis covered only seven years so this new period is almost as much again.

    In two extraordinary seasons (2012-13 and 2013-14), the Liverpool forward Luis Suárez made the biggest impact of any single player in one campaign. Didier Drogba, playing in 2009-10 for a Chelsea team that data suggests is the best Premier League side in this period, finished third.

    Among those who have made a huge impact in the new five-year spell are Arsenal players Robin van Persie in 2011-12 and Alexis Sánchez in 2016-17, as well as Eden Hazard, of Chelsea, in 2014-15.

    On average — in other words, per season played — the previous analysis named Cristiano Ronaldo as the player with the biggest impact. Now Suárez and Sergio Agüero come ahead of him. Leighton Baines heads the list of defenders.

    What, however, about total impact during the entire period? Jermain Defoe, Agüero, Wayne Rooney and Suárez all make the top five. Lampard and Ronaldo are still in the top ten because of their impact at their peak.

    But Van Persie’s huge impact immediately after the last analysis has lifted him above the rest and he has now made the biggest contribution during the Fink Tank era.

    https://webcache.googleusercontent....c08e8ea02fc5b0.html+&cd=1&hl=nl&ct=clnk&gl=nl

    "How important is a goal? I am not just inviting the answer "very". I'm trying to point out that actually it all depends.

    When the scoring record of players is assessed, it is quite common to point out that some of them were penalties. Occasionally these are removed from the total in order to look only at those scored in open play.

    Much less common is to look at how important a goal was. Some goals matter more than others. Scoring when a team is already three goals ahead, for instance, is less valuable than pinching a victory.

    The Fink Tank's Dr Henry Stott, Dr Mark Latham, Dr Dinesh Vatvani and Dr Kostas Paraschakis have been looking at both goalscorers and teams to try to identify a pattern. Looking back over the past five seasons are there some players whose goals matter more than others?

    And are there some teams that are more dependent than others on a single scorer? The method we used was to look at how many fewer points teams would have scored if you removed a particular player's goals. You can look at this in two ways. One is to look at how much each goal was worth, the other is to look at how many points overall the players goal scoring contribution was worth.

    The player whose goals made the biggest difference to an individual season was not, as I had been inclined to think, Luis Suárez for LIVERPOOL in 2013-14. It was Robin van Persie for Manchester United in 2012-13, who made a 27-point difference. Fascinatingly, second in the table is also Van Persie, but this time for Arsenal in 2011-12 with a 24-point difference. This at least hints that the issue isn't just team dynamics, although of course it may be the formation that is used when Van Persie plays."



    I saw the 2006-07 and 2007-08 rankings were already posted on the previous page, but not posted yet was this from 20 February 2010 looking at the past 12 months (on an accumulative base, so injuries and suspensions affect this):

    February 2010 (past 12 months)

    And the outcome? This table, split by position, of the most consistently good Barclays Premier League players. Forwards Rank Name Team 1 Gabriel Agbonlahor Aston Villa 2 Fernando Torres 3 Liverpool Robin van Persie Arsenal 4 Dirk Kuyt Liverpool 5 Ricardo Fuller Stoke City Midfielders 1 Stilian Petrov Aston Villa 2 James Milner Aston Villa 3 Danny Murphy Fulham 4 Gareth Barry Man City 5 Steven Pienaar Everton Defenders 1 Patrice Evra Man United 2 Emiliano Insua Liverpool 3 Bacary Sagna Arsenal 4 Nemanja Vidic Man United 5 William Gallas Arsenal Goalkeepers 1 Edwin Van der Sar Man United 2 Thomas Sorensen Stoke City 3 Shay Given Man City 4 Brad Friedel Aston Villa 5 Petr Cech Chelsea
     
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  21. Tropeiro

    Tropeiro Member+

    Jun 1, 2018
    It seems that in the Premier, 24-27yo Suarez had a better run than a 20-24 yo Cristiano.... interesting, although Manchester have won three titles with Ronaldo and Liverpool none with Suarez.
     
  22. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Comme, I would be very interested in comparing these Opta scores with those of dbscalcio, but I don't know how to get this Opta data regarding the major leagues. I would like to recover scores since they were published in the 90s. Could you help me and tell me how I can access them? Thank you.
     
  23. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    I don't think you would be able to access them. I don't know when Opta started covering other leagues. I know they did from 2008/9 onwards but not sure before that.

    I just got these from the Premier League by going through old newspaper archives.
     
  24. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Okay. Thank you very much for your answer. Greetings.
     
  25. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Opta have been putting some stuff out recently I thought I'd capture (might already be in this thread).

    Highest assists:

    1992-3

    Cantona - 16
    Anderton - 11
    Le Tissier - 11
    Quinn - 11
    Brian Deane - 10
    Wilcox - 10

    1993-4

    Andy Cole - 13
    Cantona - 12
    Deane - 11
    Fox - 11
    Sutton - 11

    1994-5

    Le Tissier - 15
    Anderton - 14
    Shearer - 13
    Fox - 11
    Hinchcliffe - 11
    Roy - 11
    Giggs - 11

    1995-6

    McManaman - 15

    No other specified.

    1996-7

    Cantona - 12
    Ardley - 11
    Hinchcliffe - 9
    McAllister - 9
    Zola - 9
    Bergkamp - 9

    1997-8

    Beckham - 13

    No others specified.

    1998-9

    Hasselbaink - 13
    Bergkamp - 13
    Berkovic - 11
    Yorke - 11
    Beckham - 11
    Guppy -11

    1999-00

    Solano - 15
    Beckham - 15
    Di Canio - 13
    Giggs - 12
    Bergkamp - 9

    2000-1

    Beckham - 12
    Solano - 10
    Smiler - 9
    Henry - 9
    Hasselbaink - 9

    2001-2

    Pires - 15
    Bergkamp - 12
    Giggs - 12
    Robert - 11
    Solskjaer - 9
    Solano - 9
    Mark Venus - 9

    2002-3

    Henry - 20

    No others specified.

    2003-4

    Izzet - 14
    Di Canio - 12
    Giggs - 11
    Emerton - 11
    Malbranque - 10

    2004-5

    Lampard - 18

    No others specified.
     
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