Milan v. Livorno 2/13/08 [R]

Discussion in 'AC Milan' started by odessit19, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. odessit19

    odessit19 Member+

    Dec 19, 2004
    My gun safe
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    After a win over Siena with a little help of our new/future savior, Paloschi, we play another postponed game versus Livorno. If we win this one we will be in the fourth spot with one more point than Fiorentina. I hope we continue our god form this calendar year at home and out this one away 2-0 with the help of Pato. How is Ronaldo, still injured, new injury? Will Kaka play?

    FORZA MILAN!!!
     
  2. gcstorm9

    gcstorm9 Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    Coral Springs, Fl
    Club:
    AC Milan
    forza MILAN!...
    kalac
    oddo nesta kaladze janks
    brocchi pirlo ambro
    gourcuff
    paloschi inzaghi
     
  3. odessit19

    odessit19 Member+

    Dec 19, 2004
    My gun safe
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    So no Kaka, Pato or Ronaldo? What about Gilardino or Seedorf?
     
  4. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    thats not the formation.
    i know that nesta is resting, and i think emerson and gilarino will be playing,
    probably with inzaghi up front.
    kalac
    oddo kaladze bonera/maldini jankulovski
    emerson
    pirlo ambrosini
    seedorf
    gilardino inzaghi
     
  5. jpick

    jpick Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    kaka won't be back until the weekend most likely (or maybe not even until the arsenal tie, but i hope this weekend), ronaldo is out it seems, maybe even through the arsenal game, and pato is still out at least until the arsenal game, unless something dramatically changes from the last updates i have heard.

    gilardino is back, seedorf looks like he should be ready to go, and inzaghi is fine as well.

    obviously, gattuso is still out too, and i wouldn't be surprised if this game or on the weekend, pirlo gets at least a half of rest, and maybe more, as well as nesta, going by what ancelotti has said of late.
     
  6. BobanFan

    BobanFan Member+

    Jun 28, 2007
    Club:
    AC Milan
  7. Milaniac

    Milaniac Member

    May 12, 2007
    Why doesn't Paloschi get the start? ugh, if Yoan doesn't get in this game its the end for him at Milan.
     
  8. jpick

    jpick Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  9. odessit19

    odessit19 Member+

    Dec 19, 2004
    My gun safe
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Ukraine
    I hope Gourcuff plays, he really deserves it...
     
  10. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    gourcouff will not play, and he doesn't deserve to play either.
    he blew his chance in the beginning of the season when ancelotti started him and he greatly disapointed. this is his last year at milan, which is a good thing because he is technically not good enough.

    paloschi will not start because of the double standard there exists at milan.
    if you are 18 and brazilian you are ready to play, if you are 18 and italian you're not.

    another major factor is that pato is fast, paloschi is not, most coaches, fans, and pundits are impressed by people who can run fast, so most italian players who are slow have to prove themselves until they are 25 to be considered good enough.
     
  11. Kufibear

    Kufibear New Member

    May 7, 2007
    Holland
    ^^cmon man thats nonsense
    pato is obviously better than paloschi,thats why he starts and paloschi doesnt
    im pretty sure he gets his minutes this game
    who do we play this weekend?
     
  12. gcstorm9

    gcstorm9 Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    Coral Springs, Fl
    Club:
    AC Milan
    paloschi will play according to ancellotti..just depends on inzaghi condition if inzaghi will start..
    kalac
    oddo kaladze bonera janks
    brocchi pirlo ambro
    seedorf
    inzaghi gila
     
  13. Cassano

    Cassano Member

    Jul 16, 2004
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    PORTIERI: Dida, Kalac; DIFENSORI: Bonera, Cafu, Favalli, Kaladze, Oddo, Serginho, Simic; CENTROCAMPISTI: Ambrosini, Gattuso, Gourcuff, Pirlo, Seedorf; ATTACCANTI: Gilardino, Inzaghi, Ronaldo, Paloschi.
     
  14. Kulspruta

    Kulspruta New Member

    Jul 26, 2007
    BH, Brazil
    Club:
    Cruzeiro Belo Horizonte
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    C'mon, the boy has a fine touch. He only lacks the experience and decision-making that could take him a step further. Personally I believe he is as talented as Zidane, and altough I don't think Zidane is one of the all-time greats, I do rate him. The main difference right now is in the footballing brain, and that can be exercised.

    That's being demeritory (does this even exist? It does in portuguese :D) to the kid. Pato is clearly more talented and seems to be the more complete player right now, but it all depends on how they'll develop as players. Talent isn't everything.

    Fast, has a good touch, good work-rate, can take on markers by himself, etc. He's clearly special, it only takes an eye to see it. Italy also has some special boys coming up, like Giovinco. Paloschi is not special, but that's not everything in this game. Zico wasn't special at a young age and whoever thought Kaka could be a world-class player when he was young was either a madman or a genius.
     
  15. Milaniac

    Milaniac Member

    May 12, 2007
    Paloschi is special!! because he is a Ac Milan player :rolleyes:
     
  16. Milaniac

    Milaniac Member

    May 12, 2007
    from http://msn.foxsports.com/soccer/story/7790240/A-stroll-through-Italy's-Serie-A

    Although Alexandre Pato is still out injured, another 18-year-old, Alberto Paloschi, scored the only goal of the game against Siena on his debut last weekend.
    Ancelotti confirmed that the teenager would play some part in proceedings at the San Siro and may even start if Filippo Inzaghi did not recover from his exertions on Sunday, in a partnership with Alberto Gilardino who is available after a one-game suspension.
    He said: "If Inzaghi is not ready then Paloschi will start otherwise he is on the bench and Inzaghi is in."
     
  17. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    paloschi is a carbon copy of inzaghi. his main skill is his movement.
    to move like that and create space like pippo does, means you know how to play the game.
    pato is exiting like kaka or c. ronaldo, paloschi is not, he's boring like pippo.
    but this does not make him inferior to pato.
    i did not say pato is not good, he's great, i'm just saying paloschi is as good, just different.

    in fact paloschi is more mature football wise then pato.
    pato relies on his running and dribbling to contribute where paloschi relies on reading the game. that means he understands and reacts better to many situations. (they both need work by the way, i'm not saying they are perfect)

    and you cant deny that there is a double standard in italy and especially milan regarding foreigners(brazilians mostly) and italians.
     
  18. Milaniac

    Milaniac Member

    May 12, 2007
    Just trying to learn, why is this?
     
  19. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    too much hype surrounds brazilians. brazilians are considered everywhere above standard and italy and milan are no different.
     
  20. jpick

    jpick Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    let's be fair, though, a lot of times brazilians are a standard above, imho.
     
  21. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    don't make them better than italians.
    for example the 2 national teams of brazil and italy,
    comparing the starting 11s, only kaka and robinho are better than their counterparts, the rest the italians are better by far.
     
  22. gcstorm9

    gcstorm9 Member

    Dec 17, 2001
    Coral Springs, Fl
    Club:
    AC Milan
    regardless who is betta...THEY BOTH PLAY FOR MILAN!...we compare kaka to messi to c. ronaldo...the thing bout these 2 kids is they play for us...haha its awesome...because they r both different players...paloschi seems like a smaller version of inzaghi..let him get 1st team experience n we can have a kaka pato paloschi offense.
     
  23. jpick

    jpick Member

    Jul 5, 2006
    jacksonville, FL
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    oh yeah, no doubt, there are some brazilians who are overrated and will get exposed, I know that, but then again, there are a lot of good ones.

    plus, right now italy is at its height, and brazil is going through some adjustment periods, but ok, for now, i pretty much agree, though i would add maicon/alves to that list of people who would start, and juan can make a good case as well, but alright point taken.

    i just think that instead of looking at country, the coach looks at performance. I mean dida didn't perform, an australian did, the australian gets the job. last year, cafu struggled, oddo played well, oddo got the job, etc. it is pretty fair.

    I mean, I don't see that much favoritism, the brazilians who play, play because they are the best options, a la kaka and pato and this year cafu (when healthy), etc. and the ones who aren't cutting it, or who aren't the best, are reserves, like emerson, now dida, serginho (now that janks is healthy) and digao. I just personally don't see the favoritism. the ones who play deserve it for the most part, no matter their nationality, imho.

    I mean, pirlo, gattuso, ambrosini, nesta, oddo (even out of form), maldini when fit, are all first choice, and gila, inzaghi, brocchi, and bonera all get goo playing time (maybe too much in some of their cases imho). plus, paloschi was given a shot, so it seems that the italians get their fair shot.

    in fact, the only ones who have a reason to complain aren't italians, but simic and gourcuff. :p

    and even then, they haven't really made a statement for playing time. simic was hurt most of the year, then gets some time versus celtic and got injured again, and then didn't look all that great in dubai. gourcuff has had a poor year and never impressed, even if his chances have been few and far between.

    I don't know, i just personally don't see the favoritism, pato plays because he is the best (i think already he is our best forward even when everyone else is healthy, including inzaghi and ronaldo).
     
  24. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
  25. igli

    igli Member

    Jan 24, 2006
    New York
    Nat'l Team:
    Albania
    you see it in their statements. now milan were willing to risk 18 mil on an unproven kid but they are barely giving a chance to an unproven kid thats for free.
    statements like paloschi will be very good but he will rejoin the youth squad because he is not ready, tells me there is a double standard.
    pato is ready because he is brazilian, but paloschi who is clearly more mature football wise is not yet ready?

    the double standard is there because italians have to reach 26-27 years of age before being considered ready, but foreigners even if unproven are given an expensive shot.
     

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