Mikel Arteta is the new Arsenal Manager

Discussion in 'Arsenal' started by Super Llama, Dec 20, 2019.

  1. thebigman

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    Mail and sun are there to stir up right wing idiots to vote for the tories

    shit papers but they might not be far from the truth. This season is shite
     
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  2. super gooner

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    You debatie with such eloquence.
     
  3. yossarian

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  4. super gooner

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    The look on Aubu's face says a lot.
     
  5. The Jitty Slitter

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    +1

    I mean there is always some aggrieved player who would rather a new manager or to leave who may then leak to the media (Look at the Pogba dramas at Utd for example)

    I guess the worry would be if this stuff is coming from Auba - but it doesn't look well sourced or backed up.

    My feeling is if we play badly today things will escalate quickly
     
  6. yossarian

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    Yeah, but he jumped in the celebrations on our equalizer against West Ham despite just being subbed off, and he certainly celebrated with Pepe after assisting his goal. To the extent that anything can be read from his facial expressions, to me, it's more likely frustration with himself for not finishing chances.
     
  7. The Jitty Slitter

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    Am i the only one who thinks body language / facial expressions are only ever applied against the coloured players?

    Remember how Henry was always accused of sulking/pouting etc?

    How often do you ever read this about the white players?
     
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  8. cooper7d7

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  9. casoccerdad47

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    Mar 31, 2006
    And he wasn’t called le sulk.

    Beyond that, other than Pepe after his red card, I don’t remember Arteta calling players out by name after defeats. Coaches can say a team played poorly, which Arsenal often does this season, when they play poorly, it’s when they start calling players out by name that they get in trouble.
     
  10. DaPrince84

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    This is a time to really emphasize the need for media literacy in educational systems around the world.

    All of the links you shared are citing the original story in The Sun. It may be true that the senior players are turning on Arteta, but your links aren’t proof of more different confirmations.
     
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  11. NorthBank

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    Don't know if you're the only one, but regardless you'd be wrong in that view. Unless you think of your mate Ozil as a person of color. ;)
     
  12. casoccerdad47

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    Ozil had the effrontery of being born a Muslim. By Anglo Saxon standards he is a person of color.
     
  13. thebigman

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    Yeah he would be seen as non white here imo and people would quickly mention his Turkish ties

    either way, it’s common in sport to downplay non white guys especially in terms of in game intelligence etc
     
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  14. NorthBank

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    Not saying anything about how Muslims are treated in the EPL, in England or the world at large... but it's a religion, not a race. Do you really think that Jitty and the average Anglo Saxon considers players like Ozil & Shaquiri persons of color?
     
  15. casoccerdad47

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    There isn’t much difference between religious and race prejudice.
     
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  16. The Jitty Slitter

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    eh?

    He is of Turkish descent - he is definitely a brown person
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    Ummm

    In germany Ozil is pretty clearly not white
     
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  18. NorthBank

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    Sure, but I wasn't really talking about that. I was reacting to a comment about skin color. So, more to the point...

    Yeah, after I wrote that I reflected on how many/most Germans seem to look upon people of Turkish heritage as non-German, non-white. Myself I've never thought of Ozil or Shaquiri as people of color, but I can see how you might.
     
  19. yossarian

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    Ozil. Or do you considered him colored?

    Amendment: Yeah, I see you've already answered this question. Fair.
     
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  20. Tonerl

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    I mean, it’s not really for anybody to consider someone else ‘white’ or a ‘person of color’. It’s the experience that people of color have that really tells the tale, and Turkish immigrants in Germany, for example, experience othering.

    Also, here in the States a lot of people would consider any adherent to Islam a brown person.
     
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  21. yossarian

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    That's true, and I'm not disputing any of this nor downplaying the experience of Turkish immigrants. In fact, I take exception to any implication that I was. But having grown up in a certain era, when I hear "colored" my brain tracks back to older relatives of mine (most of whom now long deceased) who used that term when they meant black. So I was just trying to clarify what Jitty meant. Being a Kiwi who's also spent a ton of time in Germany, I wasn't sure from which lexicon he was drawing.
     
  22. yossarian

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    I'd add that Berbatov used to get the "body language" dig a lot from pundits, for whatever that's worth.
     
  23. Tonerl

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    That’s true to an extent, but I also remember him getting the ‘languid’ or even ‘elegant’ descriptor when he was just wandering around at a snail’s pace.

    I think we all know what ‘languid’ translates to when black players are the subject.
     
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  24. Tonerl

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    Also, we should point out that a few exceptions don’t disprove the rule, obviously.
     
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  25. yossarian

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    Again, me bringing up other examples wasn't an argument that players of color aren't targeted with a whole host of negative adjectives not applied to white players. But Jitty used the word "only" not me. Apologies that my job entails parsing language which occasionally spills over to non-work.
     
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