Mike Jeffries worst coach in MLS?

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by sammyjankins, Oct 3, 2002.

  1. sammyjankins

    sammyjankins Red Card

    Oct 20, 2001
    (Dallas Area)
    Mike Jeffries showed his complete lack of cahones by not playing Eddie Johnson and Joselito Vaca in the starting lineup mopre this season. I mean why start Pareja the one legged worthless gimpmeister, with chad "I only see long balls" deering? They're both washed up bumbs who should be out of the league. And don't get me started on this weird attachment to bobby rhine, the stone footed whiner. We finally have a defense worth its salt and we play the One leged sisters of the blind in midfield?? I figure its finally LA's year, but I;m rooting for NEw England just for the young trend to continue.
     
  2. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You know, it's pretty easy to critique Jeffries coaching right about now, but the above post still managed to completely miss the mark. There are so many things wrong with it, that I don't even know where to start.
     
  3. Arisrules

    Arisrules Member

    Feb 19, 2000
    Washington, DC
    Honestly. He has completely turned around a fairly inept franchise on the field. I would rather have Jeffries over OZ any time of the year night day, any time.
     
  4. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Rhine is pretty good.
     
  5. Barca_Fan2003

    Barca_Fan2003 New Member

    Mar 30, 2002
    Slidell, LA
    OZ is the worst hands down.
     
  6. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Mike Jeffries worst coach in MLS?

    In fact, he scored the Burn's only goal last night. Go figure.


    And the Metrofans have started to convince me that Zambrano is the worst.
     
  7. Fanaddict

    Fanaddict Member+

    Mar 9, 2000
    streamwood IL USA
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since mike started with the fire I like him and I can't comment on his coaching ability but he passed on taylor twellman in the draft and traded Graziani for cerritos. dallas could have had a striker combo of twellman and grazizni two of the top scorers in the league so he must get failing marks for that anyway.
     
  8. Defender

    Defender Member

    Joe's Plumbing 86ers
    Feb 16, 2001
    San Francisco CA
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Jefferies is a good coach. Last years Coach of the Year, Frank Yallop, was swept in the first round. Having been in Bob Bradleys program is definitely a plus.

    Graziani was gonna be traded because his time with the Burn was done. His absence with the team helped more than his presence.
     
  9. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    Untrue on many counts.

    -Graziani didn't want to play here anymore. SJ probably didn't want Jason and his max salary, but they were willing to take Graziani and his max salary and his bad attitude. Graziani loved the small field cause he could loaf more.

    -Twellman was there, but Gbandi was everyone's number one pick. No one though he'd take an entire year to recover from injury.

    -Burn needed defense a lot more than they needed another rookie forward. Easy to say now it was a mistake, but before Twellmen came in, no coach in MLS would have said he'd score more points than anyone in the league. Not one.

    And to the Burn fan who started this thread, a word of advice. Your favorite teams are
    the Dallas Burn
    and then
    the National Team

    In that order.
     
  10. Preston North End

    Feb 17, 2000
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Graziani was traded because of his locker room presence, or lack of. Rhine is a pretty good replacement. Cerritos, at the time of the trade had pretty much the same scoring rate as Graziani.

    Jefferies traded for Bonseu, which made the defense so much better - as did the addition of Morrow (another pick up by Jefferies).

    Jefferies drafted Suarez last year - a current MLS All-Star and mentioned by Bruce Arena as a potential call-up.

    Instead of drafting Twellman with the #1 pick, Jefferies selected Chris Gbandi, who many feel (felt) is a legit MLS All-Star. That Gbandi sat out the entire year is disappointing, but coming back for knee surgery is tough and takes about 9-12 months. Has Mathis looked that good since last June with his match fitness?

    Since he was someone mentioned in the initial post as someone who should be starting, Ed Johnson was drafted by Jefferies.

    Oscar Pareja was the team MVP, so he should be starting.

    As far as not playing Joselito Vaca more this season, Vaca played in 25 games, starting 23. Only in the playoffs did O'Brien start instead of Vaca (this I also questioned).

    Chad Deering had a great year and has always been considered a great passer, especially with the "long ball".

    As far as not playing Ed Johnson more this season, Johnson was injured to start the season and didn't come back until after the mid point of the season.

    Jefferies led Dallas to the 3rd best record in the league and has, IIRC, posted improved records two straight years. Dallas wasn't fancied heading into the season as well.

    Shut up and get a clue, Jefferies is the coach of the year.
     
  11. BallStateMiddie

    BallStateMiddie New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Nashvegas
    That might be overstating it a bit, but I think he's done a standup job. On a side Burn note, I don't see how Pareja was their MVP. I couldn't stand him in the games I watched. He must be a crackerjack in the lockeroom, although how he beat out Kreis, I'll never know. Take away Kreis' season and what do you have?

    Passing on Twellman was tough luck, although Dallas and the Metros (Balboa) both got screwed with high profile acquisitions. I'd hesitate to take anybody ever that has a major injury. You just never know with that stuff.
     
  12. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's a pretty easy call for most Burn fans:

    Kreis scored a grand total of three goals in the 12 regular-season games and 3 playoff games after July 4.

    Meanwhile, the Burn were winless in the games in which Oscar Pareja didn't play.
    Well, hindsight is 20-20. But if you were to go back to the SuperDraft and ask the other nine coaches who they would take at #1, all nine would've said Chris Gbandi as well. Fortunately for the Revolution, Gbandi was gone at that point and they took Twellman.
     
  13. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    He took a team that made the playoffs, barely, in 2001 and took them to third best record and home field advantage. They got to within 20 minutes of going to the semifinals, and could have made it with a little bit of luck.

    He did this with both Kreis and Pareja nursing injury half the year, Cerritos slumping half the year and just as he was starting to score, getting injured for the year, EJ missing tons of time with an injury plus missing 20 vital minutes in the final game) and a difficult schedule (remember the Burn played in the West, not the patsy east).

    I think the players know that they let themselves down. Jeffries has to learn a lot from this year. His measure as a coach is how well he learns from being dumped from the playoffs by a team they beat four times before they lost the biggest one.
     
  14. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to mention the fact that acquiring Ronnie O'brien gave the Burn a lot of depth at midfield and meant more bench time for Vaca.

    Ronnie O turned out to be a more physical midfielder and gave Jefferies the option of sitting Vaca for a more favorable match up.

    You could have lambasted Deering in years past but his play on the field was much improved this year and the team was much better in part because of it.

    As a self-proclaimed Burn fan, your post shows a very shallow assessment of the team. We're all disappointed in crashing out at home, but your post is over the top.
     
  15. oman

    oman Member

    Jan 7, 2000
    South of Frisconsin
    Jeffries is the Mack Brown of the MLS. He has recruited very, very well, and he is a questionable game day coach.

    Since Brown is going to win the National Championship for Texas this year, I am willing to give Jeffries his chance to win it next year.

    B- for me this year. But certainly not the worst.
     
  16. burning247

    burning247 Member+

    Liverpool FC
    England
    Sep 16, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Oh lord, where to start? You odviously haven't been following us for very long. Pareja is the core of this team. Jefferies is the master mind behind the whole team this season, we were 3rd best in the league, we got home field advantage. I wish everyone would really shut up about Johnson, yea he's a great work machine and he has potential, but right now thats all he has. If you watch this guy, he hasn't quite integrated into the Burn team, he lacks the kind of attitude Jefferies wants, and frankly he can't get the job done. Jefferies knows what he's doing, I don't think it's his fault we lost on wednesday. I think we were playing great and then Rhine scored and we assumed we would make Colorado our bitch like we always do at home and lost all will to do anything, until we got scored on and realized we didn't have the legs or will to keep up with a team that frankly wanted it more than we did. IMO thats the players fault, if you can't get motivated about the MLS cup, than you got issues. I personally think when we play our beautiful soccer, we can kill the Rapids, beat L.A. and anyone else who stands in the way. Consistency is the enemy, not Jefferies.
     
  17. princesskofi

    princesskofi New Member

    Jul 13, 2002
    Bako...SO CAL
    Anyone opt for Clavijo?
     
  18. inferno man

    inferno man Member

    Nov 26, 1999
    Texas
    Re: Re: Mike Jeffries worst coach in MLS?

    No, Rhine is pretty BAD. And, is very stone-footed.
     
  19. rymannryan

    rymannryan New Member

    Aug 27, 2002
    N.N., Virginia
    Re: Re: Re: Mike Jeffries worst coach in MLS?


    I've seen some speed from Rhine before. I don't think he's great, but I wouldn't say bad. I'll trade Lassiter for him. Now Lassiter is BAD.
     
  20. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you mean to say RC Slocum.

    Except for now he is a crappy recruiter too.
     
  21. puttputtfc

    puttputtfc Member+

    Sep 7, 1999
    Dallas was third in the league while staying under the cap. Jeffries did a great job.
     

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