Enough said. A$$$%oles like this deserve what they get. Did you see it. He as BOOED off the stage. He made an ass of himself. Real Stars. Real stars booing Michael Moore. If you did not see it live you will not get the feeling that I got. Just letting you know how giddy I am.
Afterwards, Moore did his typical "Amerikka is Evil" routine and wanked on about his "freedom of speech" For the record: The US Constitution guarantees that the Government may not prevent you from saying what you want to say. And unless Federal Marshalls came on the stage and dragged him off, or arrested him and took him to prison, he has no beef. What America-haters like this aren't apparently smart enough to comprehend is this: "Freedom of SPeech" does NOT mean "Everyone has to listen to what I say". All it means is that the government may not stop you from saying it. But be aware that "Freedom of Speech" also includes my right to boo you off the stage. It is ME exercising MY right to "Free Expression". As American as apple pie. But on a larger point (and Moore is a Marxist and is not only a pretty dumb guy but a largely irrelevant one as well) Hollywood is now in the grips of a new syndrome: "Dixie Chicks Disease" Like Moore, Natalie Mains chose to "exercise her right to freedom of speech" and denounce our government, and to do so overseas as well. When she was criticized for what she said, she too started in about her "Freedom of Speech" being violated. She doesn't seem to understand it either: that MY "freedom of speech" includes the right to tell her she's full of crap, to say it loudly, and to call her a narrow-minded Hollywood prissyass sellout. She exercised her rights. Good for her. (She chose a completely inappropriate forum to do it in, but nevermind). I hope to hell she enjoyed it. But she seems to feel that HER freedom of speech is more important than OUR freedom of speech. That if you tell her she's a loon that we're somehow violating HER rights. Absolutely untrue. You got your turn, now we get ours. That's how it works. And like Moore above, unless the FBI has arrested you for what you said, then NOTHING has been "violated" here. Except the laws of decency and common sense. But the REAL issue here is that, according to some industry sources, her little "George Bush is Satan" speech is costing her, and her partners, and her record label, a MILLION DOLLARS A WEEK in lost revenues. Tell me: heard "Landslide" on the radio lately? They're done; finished; cooked. They might as well go get fat and raise babies. Careerwise, they're as cold as Al Martino. And all of a sudden, the Hollywood types are as quiet as little mice. Noticed it? Where you couldn't open a paper without having to listen to some pampered little starlet or liberal twit like Susan Sarandon marching and ranting against the government, now all of a sudden, there's silence. Deafening. They all decided that, while being a leftist is VERY stylish in Hollywood, being poor really isn't the best way to do it. Another class of hypocrites dismissed.
Not sure if this will be too long....but read this.....: Long, but well worth reading all the way to the end.,..... Who's Smarter? by Cindy Osborne The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid" , "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American. So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant" , "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them: President George W. Bush: Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other than Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to URBANLEGENDS.COM and see the truth.) Vice President Dick Cheney: Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America. Secretary of State Colin Powell: Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country. (Note: He retired as Four Star General in the United States Army) Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld: Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator; Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77. Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge: Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times. National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice: Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.). She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution. Her books include Germany Unified and Europe Transformed (1995) with Philip Zelikow, The Gorbachev Era (1986) with Alexander Dallin, and Uncertain Allegiance: The Soviet Union and the Czechoslovak Army (1984). She also has written numerous articles on Soviet and East European foreign and defense policy, and has addressed audiences in settings ranging from the U.S. Ambassador's Residence in Moscow to the Commonwealth Club to the 1992 and 2000 Republican National Conventions. From 1989 through March 1991, the period of German reunification and the final days of the Soviet Union, she served in the Bush Administration as Director, and then Senior Director, of Soviet and East European Affairs in the National Security Council, and a Special Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs. In 1986, while an international affairs fellow of the Council on Foreign Relations, she served as Special Assistant to the Director of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In 1997, she served on the Federal Advisory Committee on Gender -- Integrated Training in the Military. She was a member of the boards of directors for the Chevron Corporation, the Charles Schwab Corporation, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation, the University of Notre Dame, the International Advisory Council of J.P. Morgan and the San Francisco Symphony Board of Governors. She was a Founding Board member of the Center for a New Generation, an educational support fund for schools in East Palo Alto and East Menlo Park, California and was Vice President of the Boys and Girls Club of the Peninsula. In addition, her past board service has encompassed such organizations as Transamerica Corporation, Hewlett Packard, the Carnegie Corporation, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, The Rand Corporation, the National Council for Soviet and East European Studies, the Mid-Peninsula Urban Coalition and KQED, public broadcasting for San Francisco. Born November 14, 1954 in Birmingham, Alabama, she resides in Washington, D.C. So who are these celebrities? What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their educations and background: Barbra Streisand : Completed high school Career: Singing and acting Cher: Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting Martin Sheen: Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton. Career: Acting Jessica Lange: Dropped out college mid-freshman year. Career: Acting Alec Baldwin: Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal. Career: Acting Julia Roberts: Completed high school. Career: Acting Sean Penn: Completed High school. Career: Acting Susan Sarandon: Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting Ed Asner; Completed High school. Career: Acting George Clooney: Dropped out of University of Kentucky. Career: Acting Michael Moore: Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director Sarah Jessica Parker: Completed High School. Career: Acting Jennifer Anniston: Completed High School. Career: Acting Mike Farrell: Completed High school. Career: Acting Janeane Garofelo: Dropped out of College. Career: Stand up comedienne Larry Hagman: Attended Bard College for one year. Career: Acting While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN!! We cannot believe that we are in any way as informed as our leaders. These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed, by freedom-hating terrorists, while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House. Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities. So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a Diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his High School Diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout? The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom! It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them. Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief ofPresident Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.
Why have celebrities gained some sort of status in this country where people value their opinions? Moore's opinion really shouldn't carry any more weight than my neighbor's opinion, but for some people it sure as hell does. I guess I'm just naive, but I fail to see why Moore had to spout off last night, other than the fact he had a platform. The Academy Awards is just a Hollywood circle jerk anyway, a self-congratulations for your "courage at playing an ugly woman" and crap like that. But hey, when statutory rapists getting a standing ovation what are you going to do?
Moore really just struggles to know when to say when. He didn't handle that with much class at all. The whole idea of Bush being a "false" president needs to be dropped by liberal activists. He's here now deal with it. There are plenty of things Moore could have spoke up abouit against the war, but instead he attempted a personal attack on Bush, and looked like a fat, liberal, male version of Ann Coulter...its a damn shame.
a very, very good question. i have always asked it myself. after watching maybe three episodes of Politically Incorrect, and good god that was enough, i realized that i wished that actors would stick to what they do well (usually): acting. historically, actors have been marginal members of society at best. gypsies with costumes. they should not be role models any more or less than anyone else, but i think the star worship in this country shows just how many people have no idea who or what they are, so they cling to what appears to be larger-than-life. there's more to it than that, of course, but you get my drift. i feel the same way about professoinal athletes. they are brilliantly talented in their respective sports, but let's leave it at that. (i once quoted Harkes on the impending invasion of Iraq, but that was for a piece on 9/11, and his line about the U.S. being "terrorists" if we invade was too good to pass up. so sue me.) celebrities tend to be liberal, athletes tend to be conservative. both are on my political Ignore list. cheers, scott
I haven't seem Moore's documentary, but I saw this link at another Crew message board and found it interesting: BOWLING FOR COLUMBINE - Documentary or Fiction?
Sadly, we see the results of this sort of lying, preposterous propaganda every day. People BELIEVE this stuff. And as Scott points out above, the Hollywood crowd giving him awards only serves to confirm for people that it all MUST be true.
Ther also was a good piece sorta like that on spinsanity's site a few months back. A lot of people take Moore to seriously, Bowling for Columbine is a very good film and one that lends itself to alot of dialogue afterwards, but if people think that they understand thw whold gun debate just from watching that film, they need some help.
"A very good film"?? "Lends itself to a lot of disloague afterwards"?? Jesus Tapdancing Christ. Sit around for an hour watching lies so we can use them as a basis for "dialogue" Hey, Joseph Goebbels had a LOT of movies like that.
Yeah, a very good film as in entertaining showing one persons point of view on guns/violence. Any documentary is gonna be tainted with whatver biases a person has....but there is definately a lot to talk about after the movie regardless of whether you agree with the guy or not. People who normally wouldn't discuss guns/gun control saw that movie and started thinking about it. This creates dialogue, it doesn't have to be just about specific scenes from the movie. Unless, one feels so threatened or appaled by Moore's point of view I don't see how one can say it doesn't encourge dialogue. It's a movie about a topic many people don't talk about that hit thousands of multiplex's over the country....Now if people want to take Moore's word as gospel and not think through it on their own, thats their problem, it wouldn't then be a veryu good dialogue would it? I think Moore is a bit of a boob personally, I think he hurts any liberal cause as much as he helps it when he opens his mouth. But to take personal vendetta so far as to say it this film does not encourge dialogue, well thats something I just wouldn't do.
I will again reiterate what Mr. Archer had to say. Seems like the fellow in Germany named Little Joe showed a few films of his own. Were they one sided? Yes. Did they open up dialogue? Yes. Were they a bunch of crap full of lies? Of course. Why would any sane person watch something that they know is pure propaganda? Other than history class, have you see, "The Eternal Jew"? Let's have some constructive "dialogue" on that one.
Really, I fail to see the extent of Moore's propaganda as comporable to Nazi propoganda. It's a bit of a reach can we at least agree on that? Like I said before I see a topic that isn't widely debated enough brought to the multiplex, and in truth I didn't see the movie either condemning or advocating gun ownership. I think the most powerful thing about the film was that in the end it didn't make a definative statement either way. Or perhaps that was just me bringing my uncertainty about how i feel about gun ownership as extra baggage. who knows.
What I saw at the end of the movie was Moore throwing out all the personal attacks he could (see Dick Clark, Charlton Heston, K-Mart etc) in an attempt to play with feelings. He didn't present an answer because he doesn't care if he has one, he just wants to get in a few cheap shots that he knows his friends in the business will enjoy. Am I the only one tired by Moore still going after the "they're ignoring me because they know I'm right" angle he's been pushing since Roger and Me? He takes every rejection not as a statement of his own irrelevance, but rather as reinforcement that he's so right in his cause that others are afraid of him. Sad enough that we're all here discussing it.
Yeah, the "they are ignoring me cause i am right" angle gets a bit old, especially cause he isn't always right. But like it or not when you have a nyt bestseller and a Oscar within the past year, you can't exactly be written off as irrelevant. He's at least a marginally important part of american dialogue, for better or worse, but definately not irrelevant.
Read this entire article/press release without laughing, I dare you... http://www.systemofadownonline.com/vid/boom.htm
Concert-goers jam exits after anti-Bush display Along lines similar to those on the first page about freedom of speech: Listen, Edward, just because someone told you to shut up doesn't mean he's taking away your freedom of speech. The customer, like most I'm sure, probably just want to, I don't know, hear your music rather than you're ramblings (kind of like Sting and the rain forests).
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA ......ooops. Seriously, what a tool. As for Vedder, that's a point I've been trying to make for months: namely that the "Freedom of Speech" clause in the constitution says that the GOVERNMENT cannot stop him from sayign whatever idiotic thing he wants. Guys like him think it means we all are legally obligated to listen to him. He can say whatever he wants. And so can we. If he happens to be talking at the same time, and what we say is "Shut up you drug addled buffoon", well, that's life.
Damnit, I agree with Bill again on the Vedder point. Too many celebrities think that everyone is hanging on every word they say, and of course some obsessive freaks do. And when you have a crowd paying 50 to hoot and holler at every word you sing its easy to get a big head. But just cause they paid themoney to see you doesn't mean that they neccessarily are gonna agree with every political rambling you spout off between songs. Unless its a Fugazi concert. That being said, I do have respect for musicians and actors who speak their minds either one way or the other. It's too easy to be apolitical about it just to salvage your career and not alienate any of your followers. Just don't ************in whine when some 20 year old ROTC fratboy disagrees with what ya said.
Dennis Miller on Leno: He's going to wake up every day for the rest of his life, and he's going to tell us how he hates everything about this country except his right to hate it. And then we say that we love it and he's going to tell us what naive sheep we are and that he's the true patriot because he hates it and he sees all the problems in it. Yeah, right, Mike. You know something, if my yawn got any bigger they'd have to assign it a hurricane name, okay? Michael Moore simultaneously represents everything I detest in a human being and everything I feel obligated to defend in an American. Quite simply, it is that stupid moron's right to be that utterly, completely wrong.