Mexico youth teams I had a question for Mexico die-hards. I was wondering about Mexico's youth teams, both national teams and club's reserve teams. Does Mexico have a system like the US? For instance, is there an equivalent of the Bradenton Academy in Mexico? How do the U-14 or U-17 coaches identify good young talent? At what age do clubs usually sign players? 14? 15? 18? How much influence do clubs have over young players and the youth national teams? I was just wondering because I'm familiar with how the US system works but not at all with how it works in Mexico. I know Mexico struggled two years ago, with missing the Olympics, the U-17 and U-20 championships, and they were going to try and change the system, but hadn't heard anything about that. Any info or web sites would be much appreciated.
Re: Mexico youth teams Originally posted by SoulflyTribeFC Does Mexico have a system like the US? For instance, is there an equivalent of the Bradenton Academy in Mexico? No such thing, and whith all the money the FMF makes there should be at least three FMF Academys. How do the U-14 or U-17 coaches identify good young talent? At what age do clubs usually sign players? 14? 15? 18? How much influence do clubs have over young players and the youth national teams? The Clubs have affiliate teams in the lower leagues. So the young players (16-19) play in Div 3 and Div 2 football. Some Clubs like Atlas and Pumas have their own youth system which they recruit real young players (9-15) Pachuca now has a Football University.. I was just wondering because I'm familiar with how the US system works but not at all with how it works in Mexico. I know Mexico struggled two years ago, with missing the Olympics, the U-17 and U-20 championships, and they were going to try and change the system, but hadn't heard anything about that. The FMF has made some changes to try and improve the situation with the youth teams. Div 3 football in Mexico is now for Mexican players only. Division 2 football requires the teams to field a certain number of U-20 players ect.. The Clubs Reserves Championships has also been reinstated.
Re: Re: Mexico youth teams No such thing, and whith all the money the FMF makes there should be at least three FMF Academys. no need for FMF academies. Players makes thier living with club play. Its not like you play every other weekends with a national team. Honestly, how many good national teams can you play?? This isnt gymnastics. THe only thing the FMF should do is ensure that each club is doing the basics at least in player development and have proper facilities. IF these facilities are not adaquate, then they can have a club-FMF finance deal to build these facilities. The Clubs have affiliate teams in the lower leagues. So the young players (16-19) play in Div 3 and Div 2 football. Some Clubs like Atlas and Pumas have their own youth system which they recruit real young players (9-15) Pachuca now has a Football University. Id like to add that teams in the 2nd and 3rd division..some of these teams have right for promotion/relegation. It just depends how they are registered. Aside from the the Reserve team tournamnet, they also have a junior club national tournament http://www.fuerzamonarca.com/ Also, the FMF and the CONDDE establishing the University League is a step in the right direction. I think it would be easier to track players through this system. The universities already have the facilities.
Muchas gracias. Buena informacion, pero tenia otras preguntas. Finding and developing youth talent in Mexico would be a great deal different than finding and developing the same here simply because of finances. Here, it doesn't matter as much if someone lives in Chula Vista or Poway, Compton or Westlake Village. If there is an obviously gifted and talented youngster, there will be money for the kid to go through ODP or whatever and eventually work his/her way up to the youth national teams. Take Landon Donovan, for instance. I've been following him since he was with Redlands East Valley High School. Now, his family has money which helped I'm sure with his club ball, since it's expensive to participate in club ball here in SoCal. But once he was recognized by US Soccer, they shipped him to Bradenton. There, he was able to concentrate on soccer and play with and against more talented players than he was playing with and against in high school. And look at the result. He won the Golden Boot in the 1999 U-17 championships, then was on the US teams in the olympics and the 2001 youth championship, then he was on the US World Cup team and scored a couple of goals. That is a classic example of how the system should work. My question is would that happen in Mexico? I'm first-generation Mexican-American, so I'm not blind to Mexican society, but I'm no expert either, far from it. I lived there on two separate occasions, in a ranchito in Michoacan. I see that the people there have little money for anything, let alone soccer. If there was some very talented soccer player in small-town Mexico versus Guadalajara or Monterrey, would the kid from the rancho have the same chance of making it to a reserve team as the junior from the big city? Where would the money come from? I mean, would the family have to put up the money or are there scholarships available? Does the FMF do all it can to find and develop young talent regardless of their financial situation or is it for only those who can afford it?
Re: Re: Re: Mexico youth teams Originally posted by ************ no need for FMF academies. The Mexican Clubs have inconsistant Youth programs and dont produce players in productive numbers. One or two players that are promising is not the same as continually having top prospects. Players makes thier living with club play. Thats nice but this has nothing to do with an Academy. Its not like you play every other weekends with a national team. Main Entry: acad·e·my a high school or college in which special subjects or skills are taught. Honestly, how many good national teams can you play http://football.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4058374,00.html
Re: Re: Re: Re: Mexico youth teams The Mexican Clubs have inconsistant Youth programs and dont produce players in productive numbers. One or two players that are promising is not the same as continually having top prospects. The inconsistant youth programs are with the smaller teams..but the FMF still picks up the bill and that is why the clubs still have money go scout. The 2nd and 3rd Division couldnt operate without assistance from the FMF. Having one academy or even three is pointless. One federation having one set of eyes... where as with clubs that have numerous eyes and incentive to produce are always looking for new players. Thats would be a step backwards. Going to schools and the FMF funding the reserve tournaments and junior team tournaments is another way go go. in fact, FMF needs more school related programs. Thats nice but this has nothing to do with an Academy. It has everything to do with it. You have to have a contract with a club to play on the national team. But national team is not a 24/7. Main Entry: acad·e·my a high school or college in which special subjects or skills are taught. they could practice 24/7/365, but if they dont play competitive soccer week in and week out... doiesnt matter Like I said..... there are not a lot of good young national teams out there...... they are better off with clubs.. the Sub 20 team wanted Santiago and Paco from America.... and Lapuente got pissed.... and he told them that those 2 would be better off practicing with America and learn more playing alongside Blanco, Davino, pardo, etc... than youth teams from the island...
Finding and developing youth talent in Mexico would be a great deal different than finding and developing the same here simply because of finances. On the contrary, the FMF has more money to dish out. Even the smaller towns have local newspapers and have boxscores and tournaments that you can follow in the paper and such. Here, it doesn't matter as much if someone lives in Chula Vista or Poway, Compton or Westlake Village. If there is an obviously gifted and talented youngster, there will be money for the kid to go through ODP or whatever and eventually work his/her way up to the youth national teams. Money is not the problem. Its a question of processing and communication. Even the smallest schools have a field, regardless of the condition its in. If the FMF, SEP, and CONDDE all worked together and used the same means of communication, it would make scouting a whole lot easier. SEP (Secretaria de Educacion Publica) and CONDDE (Comision Nacional del Deporte Estudiantil) should strive to have all physical education coaches and teachers with a coaching license. The way I would do it... if a kid below the age of 15 was recommended by a coach in a public school... then there should be zoning involved to determine which club gets dibs on him. If the kid is over the age of 15 and was recommended..then he could choose what club he wanted to go to...for example... if a kid under the age is going to school in Torreon...then Santos youth team has dibs on him.. If he is over the age of 15... if he wanted to go to America or Chivas or MTy... then he goes there... the reason i say this... is because most kids finish HS at the age of 17. most universities are combined with HS... alot of my friends left thier houses and away from thier parents at the age of 15 Take Landon Donovan, for instance. I've been following him since he was with Redlands East Valley High School. Now, his family has money which helped I'm sure with his club ball, since it's expensive to participate in club ball here in SoCal. But once he was recognized by US Soccer, they shipped him to Bradenton. There, he was able to concentrate on soccer and play with and against more talented players than he was playing with and against in high school. And look at the result. He won the Golden Boot in the 1999 U-17 championships, then was on the US teams in the olympics and the 2001 youth championship, then he was on the US World Cup team and scored a couple of goals. That is a classic example of how the system should work. Is one academy enough to produce for an entire league? The league and the clubs is what will make you or break you My question is would that happen in Mexico? I'm first-generation Mexican-American, so I'm not blind to Mexican society, but I'm no expert either, far from it. I lived there on two separate occasions, in a ranchito in Michoacan. I see that the people there have little money for anything, let alone soccer. Even kids from middle class upbrining play hacky sack or football with plastic balls, rolls of paper, toilet rolls, bottle caps, etc. Seems to be working for the Brazilians.. Learning how to play soccer is very inexpensive...training, feeding, traveling is different though If there was some very talented soccer player in small-town Mexico versus Guadalajara or Monterrey, would the kid from the rancho have the same chance of making it to a reserve team as the junior from the big city? Yeah. If you are good you are good. But the problem is is communicating. If the SEP, CONDDE, and FMF worked more efficiently hand in hand... that kid and more kids like him would get thier tryout. Where would the money come from? I mean, would the family have to put up the money or are there scholarships available? If he gets signed to a club, then its self explanatory, but if a parent wants to put thier kids through oen teams orgnization... if he is good... they pick up the bill... Does the FMF do all it can to find and develop young talent regardless of their financial situation or is it for only those who can afford it? I woulld say that 85% of the players in the first division came from lower middle to poor upbringing... So i guess they were able to afford it... then you have your players like Cesareo Victorino, Parejita Lopez, Rafael Puente, Aaron Padilla, along with a couple others that came from rich families because thier fathers were ex soccer players...
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mexico youth teams Originally posted by ************ The inconsistant youth programs are with the smaller teams.. The big Clubs are the first ones to bring in players from abroad. The smaller ones to compete will pick up any player that was victimized in the Draft. In any case No MFL club depends exclusively on their youth teams for getting players. but the FMF still picks up the bill and that is why the clubs still have money go scout. The 2nd and 3rd Division couldnt operate without assistance from the FMF. ? Having one academy or even three is pointless. Tell that to the French Football Federation. One federation having one set of eyes... where as with clubs that have numerous eyes and incentive to produce are always looking for new players. The Clubs can continue producing their players and a Mexican Academy working with another set of players will mean more players to choose from. Thats would be a step backwards. Backwards from where ? I have not seen any progress.. Going to schools and the FMF funding the reserve tournaments and junior team tournaments is another way go go. So far this method has not produced any results.. in fact, FMF needs more school related programs. Im talking about a Football Academy where the FMF can work on its own players, they take Talented youngsters that were founds in x tourney or league and they help them improve. It has everything to do with it. You have to have a contract with a club to play on the national team. But national team is not a 24/7. Again they will be working with players from early ages. they could practice 24/7/365, but if they dont play competitive soccer week in and week out... doiesnt matter They will play competive soccer. Like I said..... there are not a lot of good young national teams out there...... they are better off with clubs.. the Sub 20 team wanted Santiago and Paco from America.... and Lapuente got pissed.... and he told them that those 2 would be better off practicing with America and learn more playing alongside Blanco, Davino, pardo, etc... than youth teams from the island... Which is why Mexico sucks at the youth level. In the U-20 tourney Santiago and Flores will not be playing alongside Davino or Pardo and what can Cuauhtehack teach them, how to attack people from behind ? Dont confuse an Academy with U-20 training camp. The Academy will have its own players and not have to pull youngsters from their respective clubs.
Morelia It appears that Morelia have their sh1t together. I never knew that any club from Mexico had up to 9 different divisions. Except maybe Pumas.
Re: Morelia As of of a couple years...they do that i know of that have them...America, Chivas, Cruz Azul, Pumas, Tigres, Toluca, Necaxa, Atlas, Most clubs do..and those teams are in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th division... some of thier teams dont have the right to promote and others do.
vs Cuba La Selección Mexicana Sub 17 consiguió una importante victoria al derrotar por 3 a 0 a su similar de Cuba, en un partido correspondiente a las eliminatorias de la Confederación de Fútbol para el Mundial de la categoría a disputarse en Finlandia este año. El equipo "Tricolor", bajo la dirección técnica del argentino Humberto Grondona, abrió el marcador a los 20 minutos de la etapa inicial, por intermedio de Alberto Ramírez, cifra que fue ampliada a los 40 por Rafael Murguía, el mismo que pondría el resultado definitivo a los 75. México volverá a presentarse el domingo 30 ante Canadá
Mexico needs 5-0 victory to Qualify Mexico's under 17 team needs to beat 5-0 Canada to advace to Finland.
Mexico topple Jamaica 2:0, grab early series lead Mexico scored two goals in the final quarter hour to defeat hosts Jamaica 2:0 in Kingston in the first leg of the playoff series that will determine the winner of the final CONCACAF berth to this summer’s FIFA Under-17 World Championship, to be played in Finland. The tricolores will take their considerable advantage into their home leg of the playoff, scheduled for Saturday 26 April at Estadio Azul in Mexico City. The winner of the Mexico-Jamaica tie will join USA and Costa Rica, who had previously qualified, as the three CONCACAF representatives on the world stage http://concacaf.com/news/article.page/1347
la sub23 juega esta semana vs colombia jaime de la Pava, tecnico llego hoy a queretaro, con 18 jugadores. que trae lavolpe para este juego?
colombia 1-0 mexico sub23 gol del robinson munos, DIM que dira lavolpe.... otro equipo suyo, que se vio partido, un tiempo perdido y un segundo mejor, pero no acertaron sus delanteros (el otro rafa Marquez)