Mexican fans thrash new soldier field!

Discussion in 'Soccer in the USA' started by lond2345, Oct 15, 2003.

  1. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I am vindicated. Thanks, Thomas.
     
  2. Stevedm

    Stevedm Red Card

    Jan 19, 2000
    Chicago
    Yes many times in Europe and it is funny as hell to watch!. Nothing like alot of passion at a soccer game. Ligthen up and have a cup of beerurine on me. :)
     
  3. norfcath

    norfcath New Member

    Aug 17, 2000
    Philadelphia
    Just a thought: Do conservatives have STIFF wrists?
     
  4. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think you mean "comprise," but judging by your other posts in this thread, it's hard to tell.



    Ah. "Politically correct." The mark of a mush-head who pretends to be daring in expressing his commonplace opinion.

    Oop. Sorry. Didn't mean to oppress you there.

    I was being honest in my personal experiences, too. Drunken yuppies after Cubs games have been, in my experience, as bad as any Mexican fans I've seen at SF internationals between Mexico and Argentina, Paraguay, and Ireland. Yet because of their skin color, you give that small minority of Cubs fans a pass. I'm saying that their behavior is no more justified than that of the occasional a$$hole of Mexican descent you might run into at a soccer match.

    Oh, and Thomas, can you honestly say that I introduced the race issue to this thread? If so, please prove it.
     
  5. bostonsoccermdl

    bostonsoccermdl Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 3, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Doc, this isnt about "different skin color" or any other PC bullshit, so lets not overanalyze it and go down that road..
    This is about a pattern of behavior by a certain group of people that happens again and again..
    Having a good time and being belligerent are 2 different things. I also enjoy being around the different cultures, but piss bags, bottles and in your face taunts arent acceptable..

    All I am saying is security at domestic games should have their finger on the pulse and squash problems before they begin, and make examples of those who break the rules..
     
  6. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I'm done with this thread after this one, but...

    if you can honestly read the first page and say it's not about race and ethnicity, you're dishonest. Can you tell me that this doesn't happen around Wrigley Field, or SF after Bear's games? You cannot. Because certain posters of the mush-head persuasion give whites who are wealthy enough to attend pro sporting events a pass, it's about race. Sorry to break it to you, and this is probably why it's not a good idea to wake up sleepwalkers, but that's what's going on.
     
  7. Northcal19

    Northcal19 New Member

    Feb 18, 2000
    Celtic Tavern LODO (
    I'm a limp wristed liberal. Complete and unvarnished, but who threw cups of beer and maybe bags of urine at the Marlins? Sorry Doc, it aint racist, it is bad behavior on the part of the Mexico fans.
     
  8. jdm2662

    jdm2662 New Member

    Aug 6, 2002
    Hillside, IL
    I've been to Bears game each of the last four years. I will admit, there were a couple of fights broken out in the stands, but never EVER, did was there anything thrown at someone or the field, except for a few punches.

    I was at the Fire-Morrela game last year, and no time ever did I ever leave a game more pissed off in my life. And, it had nothing to do with the result. It was the fact a bunch of low-life, classless Morella fans throwing bottles onto the field. It gave me another reason to dislike Mexican soccer. When I talk about that, it's not a bash at Mexicans in general, it's Mexico and soccer. it's no different then me disliking the Cubs, Vikings, Packers, or the Lakers.

    Will I get some flack about this post. Maybe, but that's how I feel. I always hope whenever the US plays Mexico, that they beat the living crap out of them. It's not just some of the fans I don't care about, its some of their players as well (ie Luis Hernendez, what a prick). I think he just dove again... This is nothing differnet then me hating other teams, but since it involves Mexico, I'm going to get flack out it. Unfair, but oh well.
     
  9. Davids26

    Davids26 Member

    May 31, 2000
    I agree 100%.
     
  10. spike

    spike Member

    Feb 22, 2001
    Tejas

    Well, at least you can spell "borders."

    But you remain a moron.

    Thank goodness the "scumbags" can vote, because it dilutes the influence of ingroramuses like you.

    Sorry to resort to the ad hominem, but I am so sick of racist scum, especially those who hide behind psuedo-intellectual fascist propoganda. I remember another little man with a vision like that ...
     
  11. lond2345

    lond2345 Member

    Aug 19, 2002
    USA
    Re: Disgusting

    why do you mean by mexican football? I have to clarify something which is THIS STUFF NEVER HAPPENS IN THE MFL! the mexican league is probably the the only league in latin america that has a family atmosphere. Whole families with kids go to games which is a sort of tradition in mexico (and in most leagues in latin america you don't see families go to games it is dangerous, mostly males), the fans are well behaved, violence rarely happens and they don't throw stuff on the field. It is safe to go to games in mexico.

    You can have san jose vs chivas in mexico and what happened at sj wont happen. So you people are probably asking "why do mexican fans in the U.S behave bad while the ones to the south behave well"

    ill wait for Various styles or another mexican poster to answer this (i have my own explanation but I want to read theirs first). Interesting question
     
  12. chinofan

    chinofan New Member

    Jul 18, 2003
    Uruguay
    This happens in soccer most of the time in important matches (I don't accept this behaviour though). Specially in fields like this, in which you have the crowd too close to the field.
    What I didn't understand is that this was not an important match, is was a friendly match. Not a final of the Libertadores or WCQ. I never saw this happen in friendlies. Luckily they were mostly plastic glasses. Throwing urine is new for me, I hope this is not copied.
    We must agree that this people were idiots, but there are idiots everywhere, not just mexicans.
    We can find idiot violent behavior in US citizens also. Or uruguayans, choose a country...
     
  13. Morpheus1271

    Morpheus1271 Member

    May 30, 2003
    Long Island, NY
    This conversation transcends soccer. This isn't about race, or color. It's about actions. It's about behavior.

    When someone acts poorly, or represent him or herself badly, we judge them as an individual. When a group of people act poorly or represent themselves badly, we are left with no option but to judge THAT GROUP as such. No one is suggesting that a group of mexican fans representing badly is an indication that all mexican fans are the same but we are free to say (without consequence) that we object to the way they behave and we don't think that the common, normal sports fan (latino, asian, white, african american, and all other good sports fan of all ethnicities) should be subjected to that behavior.

    Have we become that oversensitized as a population that we can't see through the smoke? You know, there are some who believe that their children shouldn't have to hear the word "god" in the classroom. Geez...maybe we should take "In God We Trust" off our money as well.

    ?????????????? I just don't know.....
     
  14. Savage Nation F.C.

    Savage Nation F.C. New Member

    Oct 4, 2003
    Elitest Northeast
    spike, if you want to talk about racists, I'll be happy to talk about the most powerful democrat in the House Of Reps from West Virginia, Robert Byrd(D) who used to be a member of the KKK or Cruz Bustamonte (D) who lost to Arnold in CA who said the N word twice at a NAACP meeting. I don't know to many psuedo intellectuals conservatives in the elite mainstream media, thats why talk radio and fox news have become so popular so conservatives can have a voice. You must be thinking of professors/educators who try to shape the minds of students with their liberal bias. As far as the the little man from Germany, before starting the Nazi party, he was a socialist. I'm sure if he was still around he would vote for Howard Dean. You entitled to your opinion, just because they don't share similiar believes to your doesn't mean they are morons. If you think someone for LEGAL immagration is a racist, thats fine. But That's called BORDERS. LANGUAGE is when you place the emphasis of study in schools on english. CULTURE is that when you move to another country, you should try to assimulate to their values. What's extreme in that message?
     
  15. str8ruckus

    str8ruckus New Member

    Sep 10, 2001
    Phoenix, Az US
    You'd get no objections from me...
     
  16. Thomas Flannigan

    Feb 26, 2001
    Chicago
    I would like to read VS's explananation about this phenomenon (or rdl, Evil Rick, Puma Bear or the many other excellent posters on the Mexico BB).
    It is true that these things don't happen as much at MFL games. Sure, people throw things during corner kicks, but generally, MFL games are safe and families attend. I have seen tons of soccer moms and dads taking the ninos out to a futbol game.
    In Jeonju, Korea, Mexicans and Americans rode on the train to and from the game as friends. Nobody made us sit together. I figured I would ask one of the Mexicans about the beahviour of Mexican fans in the U.S. He didn't deny any of it, but he said: "We don't send our scientists or surgeons to America. But we have plenty of scientists and surgeons, you know!"
     
  17. yellowbismark

    yellowbismark Member+

    Nov 7, 2000
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    Club Tijuana
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've been to a few US-Mexico games and never experienced any problems, yet it seems like the last couple Tri games in the US have been pretty bad (vs Peru, Uruguay) and then the Chivas-SJ game too. I wonder what's going on here?

    I saw El Tri in Denver (2002), Columbus (2001) and the fans were very respectful (minus a couple of bad apples in Denver).

    Can anyone describe the game in Houston last May, was it bad like these? Should we expect bad treatment like this in the future? Or maybe Mexico likes to trash South Americans for some reason. Who knows?
     
  18. socrne1

    socrne1 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 12, 2003
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    great post! Lets just face the facts here, the fans were pissed because they are tired of seeing their sheety arse team get their butts kicked all the freakin time.

    2-0 sounds familiar can anyone remember the last time they lost 2-0, oh wait it was last WC, the US.

    I agree the fans that are causing the trouble have no respect for the country or for the opportunity that they have been given by being in our country.
     
  19. efren95

    efren95 Member

    Apr 20, 2000
    Republic of Texas

    Pathetic, shameful, deplorable, desgraceful, pitiful...

    If my Mexican brothers come to the U.S. to exhibit that kind of behavior, I'm the first one to ask for direct deportation...

    And to think that close by, thousands were accepting defeat for the Cubs without resorting to imputent behavior...

    What a sad day for those who call ourselves "Mexican...". What an ignominious way of showing gratitude to this land giving us liberty and the pursuit of happiness...

    My apologies to all those Bigsoccer fellows offended by our animalistic behavior...
     
  20. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nope. Everybody had a great time and there wasn't really any anti-social behavior to speak of. And for that matter, things tend to stay pretty civilized whenever Mexico or Mexican clubs play in Dallas.

    However, I do think that a lot of times, the promoters of these matches tend to cut a lot of corners in order to make the biggest buck. And the #1 place where corners get cut is one of the largest expenses: security. I'd be shocked if the Mexico-Uruguay match had proportionally the same security presence as other events at that stadium, like Bears games.
     
  21. socrne1

    socrne1 Member

    Liverpool FC
    United States
    Feb 12, 2003
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Re: Re: Mexican fans thrash new soldier field!

    Wow! What honesty! I applaud you for this post
     
  22. skinut

    skinut Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 25, 2000
    Castle Pines, CO (or often elsewhere on earth)
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Please get your rants correct at least. Byrd serves in the Senate. Secondly, he is not the most powerful Democrat in the chamber. He is certainly among the most powerful and most senior, but he is not the majority leader.

    Doesn't change the essence of your point - anyone who is/was a member of the KKK has nothing to be proud of in that regard. Just correcting the record for accuracy. . .you know, all that "fair and balanced" rot a certain network crows about but fails to provide.
     
  23. Various Styles

    Various Styles Member+

    Mar 1, 2000
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CD Chivas de Guadalajara
    It all goes back to the Bloodthirsty Aztecs.
    Their Mexie descendants with No sacrafices to their Sun gOd
    must find alternatives at Soccer Matches.

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    A Scene from the Codex Borbonicus
    Which Shows early peltings to the Spaniards


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  24. Metallifreak

    Metallifreak New Member

    Jul 19, 2003
    Santa Ana, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    hey lets enjoy the defeat of Mexico for now and rub it in their faces and when they forget lets remind that they just cant win in the US... I cant wait for qualifying
     
  25. Wolves_67

    Wolves_67 Member

    Oct 27, 2002
    Pasadena, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They can't raise the price on urine which seems to be the liquid of choice in many cases.
     

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