According to ussocceruk the Metros have traded something to LA for the 11th pick in the draft. Then they traded that to Chicago as final compensation for getting the Bob. It sucks, because this team really needed something but now LA's got that something - 2004's going to be the worst Metro season ever!
What do the Metros have that's worth a #11 pick? I know that Lalas isn't supposed to come back, so could it be one of the Metros extra defenders such as Addo or Arena plus "something else". Hopefully we didn't lose Lisi in this deal. BTW - I didn't realize the Metros still owed Chicago for Bob. They already got a first round pick and Faria.
This will end up being something like we trade Digi for the 11th pick and send Chicago the 11th pick so that we can take Mike Bradley in the fourth round. MLS Drafting Shenanigans have begun!
Re: Re: Metros trade...erm...something. They did not get a first round pick. THIS one would be it. The trade was for Faria and a conditional pick (which was supposed to be in the top 12).
Metro press release: http://www.metrofanatic.com/mf/story.jsp?ID=1653 We give up NEXT year's #1 + future consids.
They began (this year) with the Adu signing. What a BS league. How could we promise a "12th or higher" 2004 draft pick to Chicago as future considerations last year, when we didn't possess such a pick in the first place and had to trade for one? And now we owe "future considerations" to LA? For the privilege of being able to obtain their #11 pick for whats sure to be a higher pick next year? Can we have some transparancy, please? Is that too much to ask? Now that we know players' salaries, can we also be privy to exactly what teams are trading to one another to satisfy the incestuous SEM beast?
Ok, this is pretty easy. When we made the trade with Chicago for Bob, the trade was Faria + a conditional pick (a top 12 pick). At the time the trade is made, we still owned all our picks. Then, during last year's draft, we wanted Gaven, so we traded THIS year's #1 to LA for Gaven. But we still owe Chicago something, and we have no picks in the top 12! So we need to trade with LA for their NEXT year's pick... Basicially, this could have been over, but Bob wanted Gaven. Not a bad tradeoff at the end.
so let me get this straight.... this morning, we owed chicago "future considerations" and we had a first round draft pick in the 2005 draft. its 3:40 pm and we owe LA "future considerations" and no longer have that 2005 draft pick.
We just consolidated our considerations. I consider it a considerably perplexing move. I feel like Lothar must be involved in this somehow.
What exactly are considerations?? Is that like, we let them beat us once or twice a season...or we carry their equipment to the field,
But you see how that's ridiculous, don't you? We traded a conditional top 12 pick (which we had) to Chicago. And then we traded that same pick (which we then shouldn't have had anymore) to get Gaven. "Conditional" is just MLS-ese for "bullsh!t." ETA: And what would have happened if we simply didn't (or couldn't) make this trade with LA today? Would Chicago have asked for Bradley back? What penalties would the league have imposed? Would the league have confiscated another team's pick and forced them to trade with us?
No. Nothing said we owed Chicago OUR first round pick this year. (In fact, nothing says that the future considerations we owed for Bob equaled to a high pick...) The way the original trade was worded was to give us flexibility, which got us Gaven. A lot of future consideration deals are done this way in any sport. Hell, I vaguely remember someone being traded for themselves in either MLB or NHL. Probably, we talk to Chicago, push the pick back to next year, and owe them something else... That's the nature of "future considerations". Nothing is set in stone.
If nothing is set in stone, then why didn't we just give Chicago our 2005 first-round pick and be done with it? Surely they would have accepted that. And if not, then what was to stop us from saying "this is what we're offering, sorry, that's it"? My point is that there's way too many deals in MLS that happen like this - handshake deals with teams trying to help each other out of sticky situations. In any other sport teams would be trying to get every possible advantage out of a trade. It's never been that way in MLS. The "player to be named later" in baseball trades is usually taken from a predetermined list of prospects/players - and those players are assets that the teams posess. The "future considerations" in MLS trades are deliberately vaguely defined assets (which, as in this case, the team sometimes does NOT posess) that are shipped around freely and repeatedly from team to team, to provide cover for the league to move players and assets around as it sees fit.
So, the net cost to Metro of getting Bob was Faria, a 2005 # 1 and (since reduced) future considerations, though we spread that spend across Chicago and LA and two different trades. With this year's draft supposedly very weak, we might have been better off trading someone for a 2004 top 11 and giving that to Chicago instead of trading a 2005 to LA for a 2004 top 11 to give to Chicago. I don't think this deal is shady- as Dan mentioned things like this do happen in other leagues (see Parcells to the Jets and Bellicheck to the Pats)- I just think we paid a high price to get Bob. Not exorbanant, but high. I'd rather not drag this payment out over 2.5-3 years.
MetroStars give Fire second round pick http://www.nj.com/sportsflash/metro...98_BC_SOC--MLS-FireDraftPic&&sports&njometros
fellas, does it really matter? either way...we'll start off strong with whatever team we have, look like a championship contender, then fizzle out in the end as another major player has the worst 2-3 months of his career which results in an early playoff exit. prior to that, we all consume the equivalent of 2 or 3 kegs each in the parking lot, with the annual sangria black-out opening day, and then we get back together on the boards to questions, yet again, why we seem to give something of value to another team, for nothing.
Bradley is a bull*#*#*#*#*# coach and by next year you will trade him for Faria. He was just lucky in his first year but after that he went on to destroy Chicago and now he will do the same to NY unless you all stop him.