Messi vs. football records Redux

Discussion in 'Players & Legends' started by Bada Bing, Sep 2, 2013.

  1. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Messi has surpassed Di Stefano as Argentine with most competitive (no invitational or fixed games) team titles at senior level:

    23 Messi (+ Olympics + WCU20)
    22 Di Stefano
    20 Cambiasso (+ WCU20 + 2 youth NT)
     
  2. John Baldessari

    Mar 21, 2015
    what Argentine has the most trophies if you include invitational + fixed games?
     
  3. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't know, probably Messi as he has won quite a few friendly tournaments. But then nobody counts those, except Pele.
     
  4. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Pele counts goals he scored in his back garden !!!!!!!!
     
  5. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And against some nazis in the movie.
     
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  6. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    The first player to win individual Uefa Best Player award three times.

    Uefa Club Footballer of the Year

    97-98 Ronaldo
    98-99 Beckham
    99-00 Redondo
    00-01 Effenberg
    01-02 Zidane
    02-03 Buffon
    03-04 Deco
    04-05 Gerrard
    05-06 Ronaldinho
    06-07 Kaka
    07-08 Cronaldo
    08-09 Messi
    09-10 Milito

    Uefa Best Player in Europe

    10-11 Messi
    11-12 Iniesta
    12-13 Ribery
    13-14 Cronaldo
    14-15 Messi
     
  7. AD78

    AD78 Member+

    Jul 17, 2013
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Messi fully deserved this award but I think how they do the vote is very poor, all the journalists vote and then vote again when they can only choose the top three which is very restrictive, why not just use the results from the first round.

    Messi would have actually won the 2012 award if just the first round of voting had taken place which again he deserved, but instead, Iniesta beat him 19 to 17 (joint with Ronaldo), this did not happen first time round.

    They said this was to re-kindle the old Ballon d'ir spirit but the voting is like X-Factor adn not the old Ballon d'or.

    I honestly think the most credible system now is the World Soccer award since they switched to a large panel of a few former players, managers plus predominantly journalists all giving a 1-5.

    The Ballon d'or is far to biased for players picking current team mates and foremr team mates and same for managers too.

    Either way I expect Messi two win both these two others this year but there can sometimes be very dubious top tens for the above reasons.
     
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  8. PuckVanHeel

    PuckVanHeel Member+

    Oct 4, 2011
    Club:
    Feyenoord
    Journalists are sometimes fans with typewriters and often they prefer the more fancied names with an audience. Such as 2005, 2010 for instance. Even 2003 arguably.

    I mean it polite Bada Bing, but are you willing to answer the question posed in the other thread re: Cristiano media creation.
     
  9. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    World Soccer Player (1982~)

    Most wins, average share of votes

    4 Messi, 42%

    3 Cronaldo, 27%
    3 Ronaldo, 23%

    2 Platini, 37%
    2 Ronaldinho, 34%
    2 Gullit, 32%
    2 Van Basten, 31%

    1 Maradona, 36%
    1 Zidane, 26%
    1 Xavi, 26%
    ...

    World Soccer Player (1982~)

    Times in Top 10, average share of votes

    9 Messi, 28%

    8 C.Ronaldo, 18%

    7 Maradona, 11%

    6 Henry, 9%
    6 Shevchenko, 7%
    6 Raul, 5%
    6 Ibrahimovic, 4%
    6 Batistuta, 3%

    5 Ronaldo, 17%
    5 Ronaldinho, 16%
    5 Xavi, 10%
    5 Iniesta, 10%
    ...

    Most wins, most top 10's with highest share of average votes.
     
  10. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ballon d'Or multiple winners, average share of votes

    5 Messi, 37%
    3 Cronaldo, 32%
    3 Platini, 31%
    3 Cruyff, 29%
    3 Van Basten, 28%
    2 Rummenigge, 30%
    2 Di Stefano, 29%
    2 Keegan, 26%
    2 Ronaldo, 26%
    2 Beckenbauer, 23%

    Most relative Ballon d'Or's to others, Lionel Messi +2.
    Highest share of votes, Lionel Messi 37%.
     
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  11. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    #236 Bada Bing, Apr 17, 2016
    Last edited: Apr 17, 2016
    The youngest ever to reach 500 goals in 1st level football.

    Age of 500th goal 1st level football (national or international)

    28 Lionel Messi
    30 Gerd Müller
    30 Cristiano Ronaldo
    32 Ferenc Puskas
    32 Eusebio
    35 Josef Bican
    37 Hugo Sanchez
    40 Romario

    The only play maker on the list, compared to others he also creates most of his own goals.

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  12. Rafa.V

    Rafa.V New Member

    Aug 14, 2014
    as many, u misunderstand the term "playmaker". "playmaker" (midfielder) and "#10" (forward) - 2 different roles.

    #10:

    maradona, messi, ronaldinho...

    playmaker:

    zidane, xaviniesta, riquelme
     
  13. Puskas 1988

    Puskas 1988 Member

    Dec 9, 2014
    Club:
    Juventus FC

    Pelé surpasses Messi for the eight-seasons period: 471 official goals in 1958-65 vs. Messi's 444 in 2008-16 (plus whichever number of goals he will score in the last matchday). C. Ronaldo and G. Muller follow with 412 and 406 goals respectively.

    This is quite interesting: I will try to do a bit of research on other players.
     
  14. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    At age 28 Messi becomes the top scorer of Argentina senior national team (official goals).

    54 Messi
    54 Batistuta
    35 Crespo
    34 Maradona
    33 Aguero

    If you add U20, U23 goals, it's 67 compared to 54.
     

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