Messi vs Diego

Rooney was, Christiano Ronaldo was, Ronaldo was, Giggs was, Raul was, Casillas was, Del Piero was, Kluivert was, Totti was, Fabregas is, Anelka was. It's not is if it's an unusual occurance for a teenager to play regularly for a big side or to be a match winner.

 

All of them were/are game winners as teenagers for their clubs.
That is why I listed them. If you don't believe me, go and do a bit of research on those players.

 

Look. If you don't know that Kluivert scored the winning goal in the CL final at the age of 17, or that Rooney was winning games at Euro 2004, or that Anelka played a key role in Arsenal winning the double then there is no hope for you.
You have lost every argument you have had in this thread to a number of different posters, yet you still carry on making pathetic statements that do little to show anything other than a complete ignorance about the game and individuals standings withing it. Please, just leave this alone as with every single further post you make here, you are looking more and more like a little Messi fan-boy who has not seen any football prior to 2005.

 

That Messi aged 19 was better than a similar aged Maradona.
That Messi playing 40 games is equivilent to Maradona playing 150+
That you "know soccer"
That Messi playing bit part roles in 3 trophiy wins is important, but Oleguer playing a more important role is not.
That Matthews and Finney were not great players because they won very little.
That no player other than Messi is/was a game winner for their club as a teenager.

 

So therefore you will know that what you claim for Messi also applies to a number of other players and that it is not a unique achievement for a teenager to be a match winner.

 

You seem to be confusing 'Fact' with 'Opinion'. Moreso, with opinion that has been coherently and comprehensively argued against and against which counter-arguements you have provided nothing to back up your original claim.

It's your arguement. How difficult is it to understand that if you claim credit for Messi for those trophies, then other players must also gain credit for them?

Your words - "They were not then". Maybe you should start looking at what you have posted here.

No - you just ignored the fact that there are plenty of players over the past few years who have been in the same position. You are claiming that being a teenager who plays an important role for his team is something rare. (your words being "How many players who are not yet 20 are starters and game-winners for any major European team?"). My response was to list a number of players who either are or have been recently in the same position. The situation does not make Messi stand out from any number of other recent players. You could certainly make a very good case for Fabregas playing a much more prominant role than Messi over the past few seasons.

 

No it's not. If you repeat "2+2=5" enough times it still does not make it correct.

So now we are resorting to personal attacks simply because you're arguement is now being used against you. Pathetic.

I understand the argument fine. I asked if Finney and Matthews were still great players as they won very little. You then said they were not then. The only thing I am struggling to understand is where you're confusion comes from.

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All I did was simply post a list of recent players who have played key match winning roles as teenagers. Sorry if this is something that doesn't fit in with your view of things.

 

Looking at the video below, it is obvious the the modern goalkeeper is a complete liability and therefore we can discount the abilities of any modern goalscorers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_w_KLagZjY


It's easy to be selective to prove a point.

 

awesome video! Lol!

 

This is such a retarded thread.