PBP: Measles 2025

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by rslfanboy, Mar 15, 2025.

  1. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    At this point it actually demonstrates the power of inoculation because the total cases is cresting at a pretty low level. Measles is crazy infectious and I thought it would wind it's way through all the unvaccinated but it seems to be having a hard time getting out of its few footholds.
     
  2. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    It's about time

    And don't let it make you question your own morals. The world is better off without Trump voters, period.
     
  3. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    Clones was the hit that didn't sound like the rest of his stuff I heard.



    I never heard Nightmare or School's Out, still haven't. They were hits, but they weren't mainstream radio where I lived, so no biggie to not have heard them. But You And Me? I Never Cry? How... See Me Now? All day long.
     
  4. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Vanuatu
    As MAGA officialdom has already said, they are going to die anyway.
     
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  5. stanger

    stanger BigSoccer Supporter

    Nov 29, 2008
    Columbus
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    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No need to welcome me, I have been here since 2016.
     
  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hate the sin, love the sinner!

    It’s kinda ********ed up how important that cliche has become. Because there’s so, so much sin to hate with Trump and his fans.
     
  7. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Agree with the first, cannot be bothered to even try the second. Which leads to...

    I know I'm supposed to receive a heavenly reward for those two actions combined (along with others), but for something as extreme as loving a conservative or centrist despite their hatred (or carefully plotted apathy, in the case if libertarians), I'm-a need verifiable proof of this great afterlife.

    Being Black and having your eyes and ears open daily, for real, can get you past the fear of damnation.
     
  8. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    Atlanta
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    --other--
    Oh, and by "sin", I mean conservatism.
     
  9. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Lutherans believe we are saved by grace through faith. Works aren’t part of the equation.
     
  10. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    No, but peer pressure to avoid certain behavior is part of the equation in practice. The "don'ts" are already codified, and now the job is to make sure everyone else conforms to that idea of propriety. Protestants as a rule are about grace thru faith. Doesn't mean they don't legislate to spread their don'ts. I'm down to my last few prerolls now because of that.

    Grace thru faith is also (mis)interpreted around here in a way that negatively affects the most vulnerable. It tells people they can get away with all kinds of shit in life and then atone for it on their deathbeds.
     
  11. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    So, I'm reading today that there are measles outbreaks in South Carolina and Minnesota.
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
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  13. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
    La Norte
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    DC United
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    Vanuatu
    Our American conservatives are really reactionaries and we are getting the real results of reaction.
     
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  14. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
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  15. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
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    #65 Auriaprottu, Oct 9, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 9, 2025
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  16. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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  17. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
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  18. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Putting here, though this could go in a few threads.

    upload_2025-10-13_15-0-26.jpeg

    That drop from 2020 to 2024 is likely due in large part to COVID.
     
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  19. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

    Apr 20, 2009
    France
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    Seattle Sounders
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    France

    As it that increase (but only because of misinformation)
     
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  20. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. But I was thinking about success. That said, I think this misinformation goes hand in hand with the skepticism/distrust in science/education and related. A few weeks ago, I looked at responses to the polio vaccine. My expectation was that most would be excited and/or trusting at first, but that was not the case. As I thought about it, that makes sense. New science, new idea, nothing proven that one can see, therefor, skeptical. Quite rational. In addition, I realized that there were some issues at the beginning, such as a bad batch and demand greater than supply. But as things improved with the vaccine, and presumably few and fewer children seen with polio effects, more and more trust was experienced for the vaccine. What I saw in polls said more trust was present, but not necessarily why (from what I remember seeing - I'm sure some polls did ask "why?").

    I looked at that because I was curious with comparisons to the modern world (as I recall, it was something posted in this thread that made me wonder about vaccine trust). And very little really matched with why people would actually distrust vaccines, seeing at how successful they actually are. So the skepticism/distrust of 10% is worrying, but not really out of the norm based on the polls of the polio vaccine. But I think the skepticism/distrust around the COVID vaccine was really a change maker. And in hindsight, I think the large scale messaging around it's development was the problem. I have a couple of guys I know here who are not immune from conspiracies, both thought the COVID vaccine was developed and produced in less than a year. I had to explain that, yet new technology was used, but the basis was the research done on the SARS virus in the early 2000s. Neither understood that, and it made them both much more dismissive of the conspiracies around rapid development (mind, both took the vaccine, but it is the skepticism of development that is my point).

    The only reason I know about the prior development is from some podcast I was listening to that was focused more on the science aspect of the vaccine.
     
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  21. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    I have a fairly close relative who works in the field, with (but not at) the CDC. He said that vaccination models (ala Covid) had always assumed some modest level of public skepticism/resistance, but they had never accounted for our having a President like Trump at the decisive moment.

    ‘Trump lied, people died’ oversimplifies, but not greatly.
     
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  22. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite Guinness

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #72 Kryptonite, Oct 14, 2025
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2025
    Here's the dumbest thing about it:

    He was all about how Operation Warp Speed was going to push it out faster "than any other vaccine in history" with the usual hyperbole he spews. He had all those press conferences with Drs. Fauci and Birx, even if she was face-palming when he talked about horse medicine, eating bleach and zapping it out with UV light.

    Now, all of a sudden, if you get "jabbed" you're a radical leftist who hates him, etc etc and probably paid for to "get the jab" or whatever.

    It's mystifying.

    And yeah, it doesn't take a genius to wonder what would have happened if George Bush said "9/11 was a liberal hoax" the way DJT said so about COVID.

    They truly are a Qult.

    "Al-Qaida, if they really do exist (they do NOT, BTW), are paid for by George SOROS and the Radical LEFTISTS! The so-called dead people are actually in hiding! DRAIN THE SWAMP! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER! PRESIDENT DJT!"
    --Probably.

    "I'm not a doctor. I don't know much about this COVID thing, but I know it's really bad in Texas and it's probably bad where you live too. One thing I do know is that we have lots of experts working on it. I'm pressing Congress to increase funding to the researchers in order to get a safe, effective, vaccine out. With God at our side, we will get through this. God bless the troops. President George Bush."

    What timeline do we live in that George freaking W Bush can easily be portrayed as reasonable?
     
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  23. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There is something that gets lost here. Bush II believed in the institution of government. Yes, he and his buddies used them to their own ends. And, yes, he and his buddies lied (knowingly) to the US public. But even through the scope of his Christianity, he still believed in the institutions of government. It was under his leadership that the development of how to deal with an epidemic or pandemic was first developed. And for all his faults, he did try to use various governmental agencies to make the world a better place.

    Trump just wants to tear it all down, and sell off the parts that are working to his friends. With kickbacks, of course.
     
  24. ShayG

    ShayG Member+

    Celtic
    United States
    Aug 9, 2021
    Canada had completely eradicated measles back in '98 but it is back to being endemic again. US isn't quite there yet, surprisingly, but close behind.
    Arstechnica
     
  25. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Good news, everybody! :confused:

    C.D.C. Links Measles Outbreaks in Multiple States for the First Time

    https://archive.is/A5FIj
     
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