Maureen Dowd Lies

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Cascarino's Pizzeria, May 31, 2003.

  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    MoDo cut a quote in a recent column to make it look like Prez. Bush thinks that Al Qaeda is no longer a threat. What she left out with a sneaky use of ellipsis is that Bush said that INCARCERATED members of Al Qaeda are no longer a threat. I realize that Mo likes to write fantasy pieces, but this is ridiculous. She put the full quote in a later column, probably out of guilt. The NYT is "looking into" the original Op/Ed. Don't expect an official correction from Mo. A small Texas paper dropped her column because her credibility is shot (what took them so long?):

    http://www.lufkindailynews.com/news/newsfd/auto/feed/news/2003/05/29/1054239236.03033.5074.1841.html
     
  2. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    Looks like Ms Dowd is a graduate of the same deceptive writing techniques as our own esteemed Mr Loney. He's long quoted Bush as saying Al Qaeda is no longer a threat, based on half quotes.
     
  3. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    Maureen Dowd was a crap journo when she was taking shots at my avatar, and she's a crap journo now. Being the smartass putdown queen stopped being interesting when you're, what, 20 years old?

    It's a testament to our pathetic media industry that this lady is reknowned and her style copied.
     
  4. Scotty

    Scotty Member+

    Dec 15, 1999
    Toscana
    Is this paper from one of those towns that sponsorsed a 'Dixie Chicks CD Smash-em-up' festival?
     
  5. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Needless to say, my response to this is typical of every time Ian criticizes me - I stand by what I wrote, only more so.

    Bush's wording was and is mealy-mouthed double-talk. Dowd is right to call him on it, especially in light of AQ's recent recovery.

    There are still only two ways to read that sentence. Either Bush wanted to make people believe that AQ as a whole was beaten, or he is stupid enough to believe that he was making some important point by saying incarcerated or dead AQ members aren't still operative. I'm sure there's a way you can spin that Bush saying something so blindingly pointless is some kind of important statement - Bush fans have and will swallow worse.

    But to me, the phrasing was meant to mislead or diminish the threat. If you want to defend Bush for that - be my guest.
     
  6. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
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    Hey, Dan, I did call you "esteemed".
     
  7. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Al Qaeda IS on the run, several of their top leaders HAVE been apprehended and you can ask the 6 scumbags who were vaporized by a drone in the desert how effective their next mission will be. Compare the current admins. ACTIONS versus the tough TALK that Bill did while he was in office. Oh I forgot, he blew up a tent in Afghanistan.

    MoDo is a crap writer. She makes up conversations that take place in the White House and now uses doctored quotes to drive her point home. The NYT is absolutely laughable. IMO Dowd should have been covering Hamptons weddings in the society section yrs. ago since her forte is gossip and make-believe.
     
  8. DavidPablo

    DavidPablo New Member

    I am sorry, but you are not making sense. President Bush is pointing out that we had success against Al Quaida, because terrorists who planned attacks on civilization are incarcerated or dead. Certainly, there are still some who are active. Unfortunately this war that Al Qaida started against our civilization is a long term war, and they are still likely to have a many active cells that are still secretly planning murders all over the world. Victory against such a foe won't come easy.

    But every one of these terrorist that we can catch is one less murderer that we have to worry about. What Bush said is true, and not pointless. We have had remarkable successes all over the world. Not just America, but all the nations around the world that are finally accepting that there is a problem and are investigating and arresting terrorists. Only somebody blinded by hatred can fail to see the successes against very difficult odds, and can call Bush's comments pointless.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
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    I don't know which is worse. Journalists like Maureen Dowd who omit a key part of president Bush's quotes to make it sound like he thinks Al Quaida is defeated, or posters like Dan Loney who, in order to be against president Bush, make themselves believe that the jailing of Al Quaida leaders is irrelevant and not worthy of mention.
     
  10. Footer Phooter

    Jul 23, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    cough * Ann Coulter* cough
     
  11. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    Premise: It was a good idea for George Bush to let the American people think that decisive progress was being made against Al-Qaeda.

    Discuss.
     
  12. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Premise - George Bush is taking decisive action in the war on terrorism and his approval ratings reflect that Americans have wholeheartedly rejected the Clinton/Democrat doctrine of "leave them alone/play footsie/blow up tents in the desert & they'll eventually go away."

    Accept.
     
  13. Blitzz Boy

    Blitzz Boy Member

    Apr 4, 2002
    The West Side
    Strangely enough, one of the newspapers here in the 70% Republican state I live in carries her columns.

    Molly Ivins is funnier.
     
  14. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

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    After giving them a nice long recovery period while we fart around in Iraq.

    How many GOP "wag the dog" quotes from 1998 would you like?
     
  15. Eric B

    Eric B Member

    Feb 21, 2000
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    So, you're giving 100% of the credit for catching Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to the Pakistanis?
     
  16. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

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    In some people's imaginary world, everything destructive that the terrorists do anywhere in the world is the fault of Bush, and every positive development against terrorism was achieved thanks to Clinton. We cannot argue against such logic because it exists independent of reality.
     
  17. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA


    The following paragraph will illustrate the Clinton admin's policy toward international terrorism:

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...snore...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    It all depends upon what the definition of "inaction" is, right Bill?
     
  18. Dan Loney

    Dan Loney BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 10, 2000
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    And it would have been impossible for you to express so deep a thought without fucking up the page spacing.

    I seem to remember that when Ron Jeremy was captured, it was trumpeted as this huge blow against AQ. That was before the war, and of course before the Saudi Arabia attacks, and before a big old article in the LA Times this past Sunday about how Al Qaeda has totally rebuilt and recovered.

    Kind of a different story from Osama being captured in the next six hours.

    Yes, it was nice to see him captured. Yes, it was nice to see the Predator grease the other AQ guys. Remind me why we haven't seen more of that.

    Oh, wait, I remember. Because we decided to fart around in Iraq.
     
  19. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    It's a good thing Bush still has Bill's Handy Dandy Guide to Anti-terrorism in his desk. Chapter 1 - How to Blow Up Tents & Look Tough on Terrorism.
     
  20. DavidPablo

    DavidPablo New Member

    The following appeared this morning in my newspaper's editorial page under "Corrections":

    A Column by the New York Times' Maureen Dowd that appeared in the May 15 Register contained a shortened, misleading version of remarks by President Bush that indicated the president had said al-Qaida was "not a problem anymore". In fact, Mr. Bush said leaders of al-Quaida who had been captured or killed were "not a problem anymore."

    What I don't understand is why is this nonsense necesary when there are legitimate criticisms that can be made about the Bush administration. We can look at the lack of WMD's in Iraq, or at the way the post-war contracts are handled. We can debate his tax cuts, or his environmental policies, or his ties to the religious right.

    But to attack him on his war on terror is ludicrous, because he has done a lot of good. The Taliban is not in power anymore and Bin Laden and his band of murderers don't have the luxury of being able to plan attacks from a confort zone. al-Qaida is wounded. And most of the cells that are still active can probably be traced to the do-nothing time of previous administrations.

    Even I, who am not always the biggest fan of Bush, get angry when people make these type of accusations. Or, when they critizice his contribution to the fight against AIDS. Or his efforts (although a bit belated) to pressure Israel and the Palestinians to try to reach an agreement.

    Give Bush his due, because unless you admit to the obvious when he is doing well, you lose credibility on issues in which there are legitimate concerns.
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
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    I don't agree with your general take on the Bush presidency, not completely anyway, but you're dead on right here.

    But I'll answer your rhetorical question. Because Dowd is an astonishingly lazy thinker. There are dozens of posters here who are more rigorous in the posts we pound out at lunchtime or when the boss is in a meeting than she is in a typical column.

    Which is bad enough. But she's like this hero who gets emulated. I mean, rather than take a bit of time and talk about the issues you raised, she went for the dick joke.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Then it begs the question, WTF is the NY Times doing putting a sophomoric column like hers in the Op/Ed. page 2 times a week? After the first year or two her act wore thin. Now she writes fantasy conversations. Are we missing her genius?
     
  23. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
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    Hehe. Admit it DP, deep inside you love GW. Come out of the closet and say it. I would like to think that I am not the only Boca Juniors fan who has some common sense on political issues.
     
  24. John Galt

    John Galt Member

    Aug 30, 2001
    Atlanta
    I think Maureen Dowd is witty and inciteful.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    CP...because she's popular.
    Is this astonishingly clever, or bad grammar?

    :)
     

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