Matthew Hoppe at Real, Mallorca [R]

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  1. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is wrong. He started against Real.
     
  2. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I think you're just afraid to admit the truth that Suyuntuy always speaks.
     
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  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Got confused with the Villarreal game.

    Anyway, my point stands: it's still too early to say anything, he's played only about 90 minutes so far.

    PS: I guess the assist he got in one of those games is a point to have some, well, hope. He should be a decent fit for the style in La Liga. I'm not sure the quality is there, though.
     
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  4. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Is it too early to say anything? Or is it the right time to say something as long as that something is the fact that he’s not a starter and is seen as depth? I’m really confused.
     
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  5. twoolley

    twoolley Member+

    Jan 3, 2008
    Both. Argue against that!
     
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  6. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's been on the bench for the 90 in two games, started and played an hour in the game they expected to lose, and played 30 as a sub in another.

    I think that marks him as primarily a sub/depth at this point. Mallorca plays a 4-2-3-1 and much less often a 4-4-2. Hoppe was only included when they played 4-4-2.
     
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  7. comoesa

    comoesa Member+

    Aug 13, 2010
    Christen Press's armpit
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Btw , Hoppe looked a bit lethargic in his start. He wasn't busting a gut like he was with the national team or Schalke last season.
     
  8. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He will probably double down and argue it was a throw-away game and therefore his point still stands lol.
     
  9. chrome_vapors

    chrome_vapors Member+

    Oct 15, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Possibly due to different leagues/teams, different playing cultures, and an early afternoon game on a late summer day in Madrid.
     
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  10. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    He's moved to a better team (could any team be worse than 2020-21 Schalke?) in a better league, so you'd expect him to have to need time to adjust when the benchmark for PT is that much higher.
     
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  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Yep, he'll get there, hopefully. But nothing can be said at this point.
     
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  12. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Actually,when your supporting evidence is faulty,you have no point.
    Thanks for putting out corrected info,though.:)
     
  13. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Hoppe will start every game the same season Jozy's Sunderland gets relegated.
     
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  14. LouisZ

    LouisZ Member+

    Oct 14, 2010
    Southern California-USA
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sounds to me like he was used as a "planned casualty" vs RealM and saved their starting CF for the next league game.
     
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  15. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I think it's kind of early to discern clear patterns here. But it's certainly not bad news, nor is it "instant hit" news. It's kind of regular "new young kid on the squad" news.
     
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  16. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Even top players often need some time to adjust to a new team and a new league. We shouldn't expect a young, inexperienced player to move from one of the worst teams in the Bundesliga to La Liga and tear it up from day one. He will need time and at least he is getting some minutes early on. I'd say it looks positive but too early to tell much.
     
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  17. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Pretty much.

    La Liga demands top personal technique and good technical awareness. In fact, the entire system in Spain is made in such a way that players are selected more for technique, tactical acumen, and passing accuracy.

    Until last season Spain's third tier (Segunda B) and fourth (Tercera) were huge sprawling competitions with regional groups and many, many clubs (Segunda B had 102, Tercera had 397) that had academies.

    It's rare to see such a huge structure at such a high level in Europe, since most third and fourth tiers are similar to the top ones, with only 20-24 teams in each.

    But Spain, with their emphasis on early tactical awareness, had a tradition of academies in each region that produced players very aware of those "advanced soccer topics" since early.

    While individual technique is something you expect kids to learn by the time they're U12, often the more "soccer IQ" part of the game is left for later, only truly developing in the U20-U23 groups. Spain was the opposite: first, they focused on what players were smart enough, and from those, the ones with the physical tools got advanced.

    So by the time they're 17-18, they're ready to play at the relatively high level that are the third and fourth divisions. By comparison, the 3.Liga has 20 teams and the Regionalliga has 72/73.

    It's also a reason why the lower leagues in Spain seem much less physical than the ones in other parts of Europe. It's that early emphasis on awareness, mentality, and creativity --the Spaniards believe those are the things you must select for first, since they can be evaluated since early, while you never know how physical a guy is until much later in life.
     
  18. golazo68

    golazo68 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 21, 2004
    Brazil
    Good and reasonable post. Had some strong tools, but def raw still. Classic case of a player that needs to 'develop' and time is on his side to do so. Poco y poco.
     
  19. DCU1984

    DCU1984 Member

    Jan 15, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wow looking like Hoppe isn't even good enough to cut it in the Moldovan first division.
     
  20. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    Receives a call for the October WCQ, and the U.S. MNT needs him to bring it in the absence of Pulisic and Reyna.
     
  21. Centennial

    Centennial Member+

    Apr 4, 2003
    Centennial
    I wouldn’t mock Moldovia. Sheriff is in first place with 2 wins (Real Madrid their latest victim). On top of that, they are in 3rd place in their domestic league.
     
  22. nycfc919

    nycfc919 Member+

    Aug 17, 2015
    That league is a joke and they run roughshod over it with KGB blood money laundered through the club. They’ve won the last 6 and 9 of the last 10. They won the last 3 league titles by over 15 points.

     
  23. TheEmptyBucket

    United States
    Jul 15, 2020
    So what, they’re obviously a good team, they just beat Madrid in the Bernabeu
     
  24. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Plus if you mock them you get swarmed by misspelled crazy troll posts and that's no fun!
     
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  25. DCU1984

    DCU1984 Member

    Jan 15, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was merely mocking this board's tendency to over extrapolate from a single game or result.
     
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