Matt Turner at Nottingham Forest

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  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    If Turner returns to starting by April, I shall eat my shoes with glee. It'd be quite the Turne round.
     
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  2. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    Ouch
     
  3. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Three bad keepers don't make a good one.

    Actually, I still think it's the keeper coach. Forest had a crappy defense before. Crappy defense plus crappy keeping is a lot worse than just crappy defending.
     
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  4. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
    I'm just hoping Turner can do enough in whatever games he has left to show enough to have some interest come summer whether it's in the Championship or Bundesliga or Eredivisie.
     
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  5. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don’t know about starting regularly, but I do think he gets another shot at some point.
     
  6. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    He just needs to stop ManU in the PK shootout and he'll get another move...
     
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  7. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    His wages are going to be a significant obstacle to that.

    And NF are going to need a No. 2 to back up Sels.

    Since Vlacho-whatever has proved a complete bust but does have silverware and a CL pedigree, I'd imagine he'll be the one they try to move on, if he isn't trying himself.
     
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  8. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Do they need a keeper in Troy?
     
  10. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Is he taking a long journey home?
     
  11. Gorky

    Gorky Member+

    Jul 28, 2006
    NYC
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  12. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    At this level, I imagine a good keeper coach could help someone improve, but I doubt a bad one could make all of them worse. But I've never been a bad Premiership keeper (or a good one).
     
  13. felloveranddidanadu

    Plymouth Argyle FC
    Dec 12, 2009
    Club:
    San Jose Frogs
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  14. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  15. Hagbard Celine

    Hagbard Celine Member+

    Oct 7, 2003
    Simsbury, CT
    Anybody watch the game? 4 goals conceded, but based on what I've read they weren't really Sels' fault - the defense was shambolic. Any takeaways from Sels' performance?
     
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  16. DCU1984

    DCU1984 Member+

    Jan 15, 2009
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's better with his feet than Turner but has yet to make any big saves.

    More goals conceded 8, than saves 7. No howlers but he's not saving much. Small sample size of course.
     
  17. Roblar

    Roblar Member

    Sep 15, 2000
    The 73072
    Agree with DCU1984 - that's also how it looked to me.


    I wonder if Turner might have done a tiny bit better on some of the shots. It might have just been that he would get a hand/foot to the ball on the way in. And who knows, that might have made people more likely to blame him for the goals. ...doing just enough better to get blamed for not doing even better?
     
  18. Hagbard Celine

    Hagbard Celine Member+

    Oct 7, 2003
    Simsbury, CT
    Like that penalty people blamed him for not saving because it went underneath him as he dove. He got sent the wrong way and somehow stopped his entire body momentum then dove the correct way. He shouldn't even have been in the position he was to get as close as he did - if he had just let his momentum carry him to the wrong side he wouldn't have gotten any blame. Instead, because he did better, he got blamed for not doing even better.

    With that said, yes - Turner has been bad this season and completely deserved to lose the starting spot. I'm not being an apologist, just pointing out an interesting facet of fans watching and interpreting performances. It doesn't just happen with keepers - "he should have finished that" (well, without a world class run and touch he wouldn't even be in the position to finish).
     
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  19. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Given how shaky he was and how little the team seemed have confidence in him (Turner), just being more assured with his feet is huge.
     
  20. Roblar

    Roblar Member

    Sep 15, 2000
    The 73072
    Haha! Yes. Exactly like that. :p
     
  21. ChicagoVT

    ChicagoVT Member

    United States
    Jun 26, 2019
    Oh I see... When Forest gets rocked for 4 goals and Sels is the GK, it's the defense's fault. But when Turner is GK, it's his fault no matter what.

    ....said with a little bit of sarcasm and a little bit of truth.
     
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  22. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Sometimes it takes 3 different starting GKs all failing in similar ways to reveal a truth... but on the other hand, only one of those GKs is a yank
     
  23. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    The YA victim mindset is unhinged
     
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  24. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    to be fair to the footie genius that is me, I been slagging NF's D for a few months now! lol.
     
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  25. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    It's absolutely this. Since their promotion in 22/23, they've brought in 6 different keepers, each of whom was expected to compete for the starting role:
    1. Hennessey
    2. Navas
    3. Dean Henderson
    4. Matt Turner
    5. Vlachodimos
    6. Sels
    None of them hit 2000' between the sticks. It might not be the GK coaching staff, but someone in their backroom massively overvalues the position.
     

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