Matt Turner at Nottingham Forest

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  1. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Stopping a bit of thread drift, but no, Turner remains on the bench today, Forest hosting last-place Everton.
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on, Everton!
     
  3. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fans are pretty negative toward Matt's replacement right now.







    If not Matt returning between the sticks, maybe it's Horvath's turn (3/4 kidding).
     
  4. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I have a feeling Ody and Matt will be taking turns eventually.
     
  5. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    I almost came by earlier to say if there was ever a game to get Oly benched it would be losing to Everton today. Didn’t see the game or the goal yet, but that is a bad result for any team hoping to stay up.
     
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  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Our CONCACAF rival Raul Jimenez helping his compadre outside the region Matt Turner w/ a brace so far against Vlach. This may be the breaking point for our boy's return.

     
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  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Vlacho is reviving Raul's career. If Matt doesn't get a shot after this, it's personal.
     
  8. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Now a 4th for Fulham. I didn't see it, but it's astonishing how slow Vlach is off his line for the ones I have. That's partially the reason for his shelling.

    This should do it for Steve Cooper. Turner will be starting for the next manager. At least until the deadline. Then, knowing Forest, they sign yet another keeper.
     
  9. nbarbour

    nbarbour Member+

    Jun 19, 2006
    Washington DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Make that 4 goals.

    Looks like Forest were unsatisfied with an average premier league keeper and decided to trade in for a below average one. So many better uses for that transfer fee…
     
  10. schrutebuck

    schrutebuck Member+

    Jul 26, 2007
    It's not fair to criticize Forest's keeper. They need to stay the course!
     
  11. Hagbard Celine

    Hagbard Celine Member+

    Oct 7, 2003
    Simsbury, CT
    I completely agree - very slow to react. On the 4th he was slow to get from one end of the goal to the other - very sluggish - no energy.

    Hope Matt gets another run in the next one.

    (And to be fair, he's not getting any help from his defense, they are dire. But it's also tough to know how much of that is a lack of organizing from the keeper vs just being terrible.)
     
  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This is glorious.

    Shots on goal for Fulham: 6

    Goalkeeper saves for Forest: 1

    5-0.
     
  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Sheffield, Luton & Burnley are so trash, they can keep playing Vlacho and not get relegated.
     
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  14. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Looks like Forest should sign Ethan Horvath.
     
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  15. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  16. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    Naah, not these days.

    Matt was benched for Ody, but it doesn't look like that's going to work out, so Ody will be benched for a stretch while they work out what's wrong with him and whether - but more likely when - to give him another shot.

    At which point he either steps up to the plate or he gets benched permanently prior to being sold at a loss - and Forest get a new coach.
     
  17. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is all good news but a decent chance they make a move for a third goalkeeper in January.
     
  18. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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  19. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Did not see this one, but NF have had defensive issues all season and it sometimes won't matter who is in goal. That said, losing 1-0 to Everton and then getting pasted by Fulham is the kind of run you gotta try something if you want to keep your coaching gig. Swapping netminders is the easiest move.
     
  20. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    I haven’t seen the last two but Arsenal is also discovering swapping goalies can get messy.

    Before this game my fantasy tool rated Vlach a fair bit higher (on average per game) than Matt but now it’s more of a coin flip. One number that sticks out is that Matt’s passing success percentage is a fair bit lower - 64 vs 79%.

    Matt leads on goals allowed - 1.5 vs 2.4, recoveries, and his heat map does suggest he may come off his line more. He also is crushing the Greek in the all important xA stat. Matt is expected to assist once in every 45,000 minutes while Vlach has a laughable 0 minutes.
     
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  21. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Swapping goalies? Fantasy tool? You really are a swinger!
     
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  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    higuit
    This is critical, I was telling everyone who was listening as well as to those who weren't that his feet skills improved to the point that his new nick name is Big Higuita.
     
  23. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You need a new tool.

    Shot-stopping is more important than anything else by far. Here's their comparative psxg+/-:

    Turner: -.16
    Vlach: -.83

    Turner's near tied w/ David Raya. Vlach's being lapped by everyone else. Next lowest is -.38.

    Matt's also a superior sweeper keeper to stop shots before they start. And Vlach's not good w/ his feet either. They are more mixed bags. Matt just plays safe more.

    That Vlach was better and it's now a coin toss is an indefensible position. The only argument you could even try to make is small sample and stay the course. Though 5 is usually more than enough in fb to say next man up.
     
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  24. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Fans already turned on Ody:

    "Turner couldn't catch a break, Vlach can't catch a ball."

    "Vlach got his chance because Turner made one cock up. He hasn't taken that chance."

    "Needs to bring a hot water bottle on Saturday, to keep him warm on the bench."

    "He's conceded more goals than saves, I don't recall a single claim form a corner and he stays rooted on his line more than Pantyman did when he was in goal for Forest."

    Etc.

    https://www.forestforum.co.uk/index.php?threads/odysseas-vlachodimos-and-pliers.51506/page-23
     
  25. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Feeling fortunate that none of our GKs have the nickname Pantyman.
     

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