Mathis in a hole - the chance for But?

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by Wolverine, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hannover
    I've translated and posted that kicker report on:

    http://www.hannover96.biz/

    Maybe next week against Freiburg, Mathis on the bench? What do you think?
     
  2. nancyb

    nancyb Member

    Jun 30, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, we could say something that involved the word butt.

    Given what seemed to be dissatisfaction with Clint from the coach, it's not surprizing.
     
  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hannover
    Yes, But(t) maybe they are playing with two offensive midfielder's, and one defefensive less...
     
  4. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Benching mathis isn't going to change anything... forgive me while i switch into yank apologist mode here, but Hannovers forwards couldn't hit the broad side of a barn from the inside.

    Bdaric? Give me a break. hannover should have bought a striker instead of Xavier...
     
  5. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
    Canton,NY
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From the report:"Clint Mathis in a bad shape,"

    Wolverine,Does this refer to his play,or his fitness?
     
  6. nancyb

    nancyb Member

    Jun 30, 2000
    Falls Church, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the English translation would be that he's in a slump.
     
  7. beenasoccerfan

    Jun 28, 2002
    Houston
    Well stated!!!
     
  8. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    As much as I like Clint, and he really is one of my favorite US players, I think this may be something he needs to raise his game. He needs to understand that at his best, he is a valuable player at this level. However, at less than top form, there are plenty of guys around Europe's fringes that can do what he does. We tend to get defensive about our guys from time to time, but the reality of top level leagues is that competition is fierce, and if you go a few weeks without playing your best, there is always someone waiting to take your spot. Clint has to prove not only that he has the ability to contribute and be a force at top level, but that he can and will do so on a weekly basis. If he can't, his career in Europe will be spotty and likely over too soon. If he can, we end up with the Clint many people have hoped for all along.
     
  9. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    ... so it's just like playing for Metro, just more money and a different language.
    That's football.
     
  10. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    The difference is, now if Clint doesn't get his ass out of this slump soon, he will be replaced without a second thought. At Metros, he could coast along unpunished.
     
  11. Parmigiano

    Parmigiano Member

    Jun 20, 2003
    yeah but having seen him play a few times for hannover (tho not last sunday), i'd have to agree with Deuter that the team's problem has not been Mathis; it's been that nobody on the receiving end of his exceptional passing is able to put the frickin' ball in the net.

    Brdaric sucks and so does Idrissou.

    And again, having seen how deep Lienen has him playing, I'd have to guess that Mathis' scoring drought has at least as much to do with the coaching change as it does with any slump. Few players playing that deeply could be relied upon to score regularly.
     
  12. dheck

    dheck Member

    Sep 20, 1999
    Chapel Hill, NC, USA
    Hannover would have done better to buy a ham sandwich instead of Xavier.
     
  13. clashcityrocker

    Mar 12, 1999
    In the shadow of RFK
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If Clint is in a slump, does that mean that his german contractor finally got the basement bar in his townhouse completed?
     
  14. terrywilson

    terrywilson Member

    May 3, 1999
    Atlanta Ga.
    Classic,

    The basement work is done in Germany, but due to some redtape government holdup about not having a bar in a residential neighborhood the keggarotr and smokes machine are being held. They are directly to blame for his resent slump, not the coaches or anything else. It is the strict zoning laws.

    No, I agree with benching Mathis or maybe changing his position in the lineup.
     
  15. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They need to play clint as a striker for a few games... just to see what happens. DeGuzman has lots of energy and presence... leave him in the central midfield.

    Hannover is not equipped well enough in the personell department. There are always going to be holes somewhere. Under Ragnick when they were playing with three forwards pratcially every game Hannover scored... Hannover could not play defense either.

    Now they seem to be taking care of the defense better but their strikers can't shoot.

    (shrugs)
    This is what happens when you invest so much hope that one man, whose name is not Ronaldino, Zidane, or Henry, can single handedly save your team.
     
  16. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Clint may OK this week- simply because 3 players are off on national team assignments, and 3 other ones are missing training so far (missed this Tuesday).

    Who knows what happens...but the 3 playing likely miss Tues, Wed, Thurs training- not the best time to do big switches, but who knows...
     
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Wasn't this the guy you were claiming was "tearing up the Bundesliga"? And now he's ok merely because players are off?
     
  18. Deuteriumoxide

    May 27, 2003
    Rockville, MD
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Obviously we all underestimated clint's budweiser and swiss cake roll intake capabilities. :rolleyes:
     
  19. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    He was tearing up the BL....

    Most players run into rough patches due to formation, lack of form, etc. at some point. For that to happen to a player in his first year in new league, not unusual. Anyone will tell you that this coach (Lienen) is death for creative player types.

    Geez, your pretty English captain had splinters in his ass at one point last season.....I guess that means he sucks :)
     
  20. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hannover
    None of them who is playing international can be substituted in an offensive part. The only one, who can do this, are Krupnikovic and But...
     
  21. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    Well, Krupi didn't make the team again, so its between But and Clint. (per your reasoning).

    I saw that Lienen was happy w/the entire team's practice this week (vs. the past week and/or game), so maybe that's a tip on no changes?

    Guess we will see. I do think (given the quality of the opposition- Stuttgart/Bremen- if I were Lienen and had doubts about Clint....I'd let him start at Freiburg, but show improvement. If not, pull him at halftime, and give But a run-out for rest of Freiburg and next week's home game). We'll see...

    Clint due, way due for a goal or an assist..
     
  22. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hannover
    Yesterday while practicing But got the green shirt. Usually a sign from Lienen, that he is in the starting-lineup. And Mathis had to play in the B-Team...!
     
  23. jri

    jri Red Card

    Sep 28, 2000
    boca
    You guys get Homer Simpson over there right? He would say, "DOOOOOH". :)
     
  24. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A well-placed ham sandwich could alter a shot or deflect a ball that crucial amount, as long as it wasn't off-side.
     
  25. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hannover
    Yes, but he says "NEIIIIN" instead of.
     

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