Mathis Albert at Dortmund

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  1. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    We don't need to call up a youth player to the last camp before the world cup. That's absolutely ridiculous. Maybe he'll get a couple minutes here and there with Dortmund's first team, although previous reports said Dortmund was considering to add him to the first team in the summer.

    And so what if Germany calls him up? You think they'll cap tie him before the world cup (I don't even think it's possible)? But if he wants to play for Germany, good for him. I don't want him in that case.

    Want to ruin the camraderie Poch has developed? Dump one of the thirty for a kid that hasn't earned it and isn't going to contribute at the WC.
     
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  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    There is no camaraderie after top 20. After that just mess and envy.
     
  3. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Another ridiculous statement.
     
  4. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You think there is a lot of comaraderie between Morris, Berhalter, Roldan, Musah, Johny, and let say McGlynn? All the keepers? Adams and Reyna? Not a rec league anymore.
     
  5. TarkovskysDune

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Sep 22, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unless you have a reason to suspect any of these people don’t get along, this is just USMNT fan fiction.
     
  6. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I suspect that they are fighting for the limited spots and camaraderie is a fiction tale in that case. Ask Jeff Agoos, Brian Ching or anyone else.
     
  7. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    It's not just about the guys competing against each other for the last spots. You don't think guys are gonna ask WTF Poch if Albert is in the March camp and Reyna, Berhalter, Luna, etc... aren't? A guy who hasn't played a second of first team football?
     
  8. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Never heard of limits for camps. Those who good enough to go to the MNT camps know talent when they see one. If they don't they are welcome to ask WTF Poch, of course.
     
  9. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I was going of you saying "definitely should be among the 30." If that's not the case, then ok, fine, but I still think it's undeserved. You said it's not rec league anymore. Rec league is thinking a guy with zero first team experience should be called into the final pre-WC camp.
     
  10. McKenniesWeah

    McKenniesWeah Member

    New England
    United States
    Feb 12, 2024
    No need for predatory cap tying call ups. We’ve been here many times before. Nothing to see here.
     
  11. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    You are confusing "predatory cap tying" with advancing no miss talent who might be ready or not for the WC, but will be ready for the MNT pretty soon. Did you see playing CP at 18 as predatory something? Not like we have plenty of players good enought to be on Dortmund, what is a conservative expectations for Albert for the next season.
     
  12. TarkovskysDune

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Sep 22, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    CP was looking good and scoring in the BL when he got capped, not playing well against teams fielding literal 15 year olds.
     
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  13. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Albert is 16 the youngest on U-21, arguably the top player there. Will have some minutes on the first team this season still at 16.
     
  14. TarkovskysDune

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Sep 22, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you’re just going to assume you know the future about his development then you can just say he will be in the World Cup roster and maybe you can manifest it into existence.
     
  15. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    #115 butters59, Jan 19, 2026
    Last edited: Jan 19, 2026
    Sure I know the future about his development. Everyone who has eyes or able to read knows. He will be playing on the NT by 18. Hopefully on ours not like Esmir who wasn't good enough for our Olympic team a year ago, and somehow playing strikerfor PSV now.
     
  16. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    There's a litany of players who were going to be all that, but weren't when they got to higher levels. Albert may come good. He may not. He's not "no miss talent" as you say.
     
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  17. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    That's the issue. I believe he is "not miss talent", you don't. We'll never agree how he should be treated.
     
  18. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    I don't because history tells me I can't. It should to you as well. But yes, we can agree that we disagree he should be invited to the last camp before the WC in order to give him some warm fuzzies for the USA and prevent him from choosing Germany (have they even expressed any interest?) or maybe even a chance at the WC roster.
     
  19. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Stop this nonsense about warm fuzies etc. You just have no clue about soccer. Welcome to ignore list.
     
  20. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    What a pu$$y. I think he has great potential and I'm excited to see what he can do at the next level. Fact is he's not there yet.
     
  21. TarkovskysDune

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Sep 22, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on, man. Even if we were at the level where we were desperate enough to cap-tie promising academy players, he wouldn’t be the first player to be in his position to get hurt or cool off or just not have the juice playing against actual adults.
     
  22. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    We don't have that many ones that might be good enough to play on Dortmund. The day he subbed in, he jumps to the potential level of young CP, Reyna. And noone knows that will happen to his career eventually, but we had 1998 CP, 2002 Gio, and nobody even close till these two 2009s. Since Reyna nobody , ten years before Pulisic nobody. One out of those two is a center mid and another is attacking winger. Wingers get on the adult field earlier. Why Mexico can take a chance on Mora, and we can't even call Mathis to the camp.
     
  23. BostonRed

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  24. TarkovskysDune

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Sep 22, 2025
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe because Mora is a fully professional soccer player who has played dozens of first team league games against adult opponents? And why do we want to be more like a flailing Mexican national team that is almost desperately taking our extraneous 1 and 2 cap players left and right?
     
  25. ebbro

    ebbro Member+

    Jun 10, 2005
    Butters forgets winger Cole Campbell has seven first team appearances for Dortmund (5 BL, 1 pokal, and one CL) and 39 goal contributions on their youth teams (U-17 to U-23). Not sure if he was clamoring for him to be called into camp then.

    Albert is on a faster trajectory (30 goal contributions in youth teams, and increasing, at a younger age) and has higher potential IMO, but that's all it is at this moment in time. No reason to say he needs to be called in March, but I'm stuck in rec league soccer thought process and have no clue about soccer.
     

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