Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter Barcelona v. Juventus Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax Man. United v. Madrid It occurs to me that we could have extra time and penalties at this stage of the competition. Should we limit our predictions to the regular time game -- or should we factor in the extra time and penalties that may come into play in an aggregate tie. Part of me says that we should just limit this to the actual games. But another part says that if your prediction (the correct score) would be such that the game would go into ET and/or Penalties, you should get a bonus for correctly predicting the final result. What do you guys think?
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 3-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 2-0 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. United v. Madrid 2-1
By "bonus," do you mean that you get the points for predicting the correct result, regardless of whether your ET/PK predictions work out, or if you get the wrong results you wind up getting a bagel for the match? Example. Say I predict Man U 3-1 Real Madrid , a scoreless ET period, and Real through on PKs 4-2. But then Man U scores one in extra time. Do I get zero points or what? And when it comes to getting zero points, believe me, I know all about it!
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 1-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 2-1 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 2-0 Man. United v. Madrid 1-1
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 1-0 (Inter on PKs) Barcelona v. Juventus 2-1 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. United v. Madrid 1-2
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 1-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 2-2 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. United v. Madrid 2-2
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 2-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 1-2 golden goal Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. United v. Madrid 3-1 ManU wins on PK I think if we predict that the games will go into overtime, we should earn bonuses for guessing how the team wins-by golden goal or pk's. I don't think we should say what the pk score will be b/c it might just mess up your program, just simply say so-and-so wins on PK. Also, if we say that the game will be decided on golden goal, but the actual game didn't go into golden goal but was won by a 1 goal margin, the whole score shouldn't be zero; rather, correctly predicting a golden goal or PK victory will be double points because it's harder to predict that.
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 1-0, Valencia 2-0 A.E.T. Barcelona v. Juventus 2-1 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. U v. Madrid 1-2
Re: Re: MATCHDAY 14: Champions League Predictions [R] Sounds like a great idea, as long as we can all work something out-- let's say, over the next few days. I think something like this would give those who are out of contention-- such as myself! -- a little something extra to play for, in the way of an end-of-competition pride.
Re: Golden Goals I don't believe UEFA institutes the Golden Goal rule during the knockout stages. If memory serves, back in 2000 (?) Chelsea met Barcelona in the quarter-finals... 1st leg: 3-1 to Chelsea 2nd leg: 3-1 to Barca. In extra-time, Barca score TWICE to win 5-1 on the night, 6-4 overall. I like the original scoring method suggested by kevbrunton. (I've quoted above) And Dave216J incorperated it nicely. - We should predict the result after 90mins and recieve points accordingly. - If your 90min prediction suggests extra-time, include your prediction after extra time. (see Dave216J) If you think no goals aet, state who'll win penalties (not score of shootout) I just don't know how many "bonus" points to award if someone correctly predicts a correct result/score aet and/or penalties. Just my opinion. Capish?
Re: Re: MATCHDAY 14: Champions League Predictions [R] Ok, just put down your result and then state if they will win by pks or overtime accordingly. I say just double the points you get for that game as your bonus. (like if you guess the correct result, double the "correct result" points, but if you get the correct scores, double the "correct score points"; however if you guess correctly that the game will go into pks, there are two scenarios: 1)You correctly guess who wins the PKS=2x"Correct scores" points 2)You incorrectly guess who wins the PKS="correct scores" points w/o the bonus because you still got the scores right but not the right result...you see? But I'm wondering, is it possible for ... let's say, ManU and Real to go into pks if Real comes back with 1 goal in extratime and makes it 3-2? They would win by away goals then wouldn't they?
Re: Re: Re: MATCHDAY 14: Champions League Predictions [R] Well, in your example, Real would win 5-4 on aggregate. However, I see what you're suggesting. Indeed, penalties can no longer be considered once a goal has been scored in extra-time -- regardless of which side scored it (home or away) or if the other side replies with a goal of their own (at which point 'away goals' comes into play).
Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 2-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 2-0 Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 Man. United v. Madrid 1-2
OK, let's do this... Make the game prediction -- that is predict the result of JUST THIS GAME over 90 minutes. Then, if your prediction COULD result in a draw in aggregate, you should ALSO predict the eventual winner. If you correctly predict the winner, I'd suggest a 7 point bonus (i.e., points for a correct result). Some examples may be easier than trying to explain it all out... Suppose you predict ManU 3-1 Madrid. In that case, you should also predict who would advance. It doesn't matter how whether you pick via a goal in ET or via PKs. Then ManU does win 3-1. At that point, you've earned 11 points for correct score. If you correctly predict who advances, then you get another 7 points. Suppose you predict ManU 2-1 Madrid. In this case, you should ALSO predict an eventual winner in case you get the RESULT correct but miss the score. In this situation, ManU goes ahead and wins 3-1. At that point, you've earned 7 points for the correct result and if you correctly pick the team to advance, then you'd get another 7 points. If you get the game completely wrong, then no bonus points available. In other words, if you predict a Madrid victory or a draw and Man U winds up winning 3-1 to force extra time, then you earned nothing for the game result and no opportunity for bonus exists.
Predict the ET/PK Winner Based upon the previous post, if you are predicting a WIN for ManU or Valencia -- regardless of what score you are predicting -- you also need to predict the team to advance should extra time and penalties be required. If you are predicting a draw in the Barca v. Juve game or in the Milan v. Ajax game, then again, you need to to predict the advancing team regardless of what score you predict for the draw. In other words, if you are predicting a 1-1 draw in Milan v. Ajax -- no extra time would be required if that's the way it comes out because Ajax would advance on the away goal. However, if you predict 1-1 and it winds up 0-0, you can still earn bonus points for correctly predicting the team to advance after ET/PK's.
So to clarify, let's say ManU wins 3-1 and ManU advance by whatever method: - Whoever picked ManU 2-1 (Real advance) would earn 7 pts total - Whoever picked ManU 3-1 (Real advance) would earn 11 - Whoever picked ManU 2-1 (ManU advance) would earn 14 - Whoever picked ManU 3-1 (ManU advance) would earn 18 Right? Sounds good to me.
Tom, The way this works, is that you are picking the 90 minute result. So you pick Milan & Ajax to draw 1-1. If that happens, you'll get 11 points for the correct score. However, if they draw 0-0, you still have a correct result and would still be eligible for the bonus of correctly picking the team to adance after extra time and penalties. So if you are picking them to draw, also pick a team to advance to possible earn a bonus if you are wrong about the score but right about the result. Kevin
Ok kev, I've made alterations Tue, 22-Apr Valencia v. Inter 1-1 Barcelona v. Juventus 1-1 Juve advances Wed, 23-Apr Milan v. Ajax 1-1 (I assume Ajax wins via away goals anyways) Man. United v. Madrid 3-1 ManU advances
Yes, Ajax would advance if you get the correct score, but if it winds up 0-0, you get the correct RESULT but not the correct score and we are in a situation of having to play extra time. In that case, you'd be eligible for a bonus if you pick the extra time winner. Am I complicating this too much? Should we only be talking a bonus if you actually PREDICT via your SCORE that we will go to extra time?
To me, it does seem a bit unfair that (assuming ManU wins 3-1 with ManU advancing) someone who predicts an exact scoreline could ultimately receive fewer points than the one who missed the exact scoreline but correctly chose which club would advance. After all, the main objective throughout this game has been to correctly predict scorelines. (?) It would seem a bit fairer that if your prediction SUGGESTS extra play, THEN you can choose who will advance. For instance, if we continue to assume "ManU 3-1 with ManU advancing", if someone predicts "ManU 2-1 (ManU advance)" well... this person is predicting that after 90min ManU will be ko'd out of the tournament. But since he's being allowed to add a 'bonus' pick for getting the 'result', he could, in the end, gain more points than someone who accurately predicted the 3-1 scoreline - the initial objective - but chose Real to advance, no? Seems a bit strange, but... I'm in no matter what's decided. Hell, I'm up with the leaders!
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