What is the general opinion for match-fixing Penalty. What kind of Penalty should be given to the subjects? Should Clubs be punished or only the subjects? If you punish the clubs then that means you are punishing passengers of a bus involved in a traffic accident. But passengers are all innocent like all players and fans of the match-fixing club too. I personally punish the the one caused the accident. Am I wrong?
I would punish clubs more than persons, individuals. Because, for example if you punish individuals, rest is easy. I am talking about Turkish league, club presidents are very powerful. These people can easily find some puppets who will just take the charges for some money. Yes in that way you are punishing supporters or passengers, but are not they the people who chose that president and individuals, are not them the people who trusted in them? So punishing clubs will be more effective, clubs will be inclined to elect trustworthy people who would not try match-fixing, in a self-control, auto-control mechanism. Lastly, believe I know some fenerbahce fans who were very happy and proud that their team was so "powerful" that can fix games few years ago when there was no danger, and now a few months ago they were just saying club should not be punished, just the indivuals.
I respect your opinion BUT let me give you an example. Please let me know how would you react. Example: Elected Mayor of a city pays money to each Voter to vote for him. Opposition makes a complaint and Mayor apprehended for election-fixing. Mayor represents the city and the Mayor is in Jail. NOW: How would you react? Download the city into Village? Suspend all incoming and outgoing people? Who is guilty in this case, Public or the Mayor? Other than that President of Fenerbahçe supported morally and financialy Turkish Sport not only Soccer. If we search for minor mistakes of successful people, within sometime we will never find people work for a club free of charges.
Nobody works for free in the football business. Except for the poor dumb fans. Everyone else gets paid. And whomever refuses to play nicely, they are made pay the price. Punish the clubs AND the people involved.
Sir, please do not forget , you do not live in a Communist Country or Dictatorship. Turkey has Courts just like other Partners. Here, the main idea is not punishing everybody who gets the money. Main idea is to stop match-fixing for the future. You can NEVER stop these sort of guilt by punishing or by new rules. You can ONLY stop these by changing your education system.
I know where I live thanks. Education system has bugger all to do with the greed people have in them. And match fixing happens even in the chart-topping countries in the development index. It's not an innocent overenthusiastic fan work, but rather a global betting con network thing. It's a criminal activity the influence of which goes way beyond the pitch, so it must be treated as such. B.
Aziz Yildirim: My revelations will shake up Turkey "I'm looking forward to the first hearing. With all my knowledge and documentation I'm waiting for the court case. Everybody should pay close attention to what I'm going to say," Yildirim said in a letter sent to TV8. "On February 14, I'm going to shake up Turkey. I will disclose everything that nobody said or had the courage to say until today. Then everybody will reconsider everything." Yildirim went on to state that he felt he has serviced Turkish football well in his career, but the ongoing saga is threatening to undo his good work. "They want to finish off in five to six months what I have achieved in 13 years. I've put in great service for Turkish football. "I spent €23 million out of my own pocket - I built a stadium and facilities, and I looked after 2000 amateur sportsmen. "If I hadn't done all this and had used my money for transfers, we'd have been champions every year, not just for three."
Minister under fire for vowing to bring trophy to Trabzon Fenerbahçe has lashed out at a government minister who said the government is engaged in “fine-tuning” efforts to award Trabzonspor last season's championship, a title which was won by Fenerbahçe. “We are engaged in fine-tuning efforts to take the [championship] cup, which Trabzonspor deserved. We will, God willing, bring our Trabzonspor's cup to its museum,” Environment and Urban Planning Minister Erdoğan Bayraktar said on Monday in Trabzon, his hometown. He was referring to an ongoing match-fixing investigation in which many Fenerbahçe officials, including club Chairman Aziz Yıldırım, are accused of having rigged games in the Spor Toto Super League last year. Bayraktar's remarks were met with a strong negative reaction from Fenerbahçe, which said in a statement titled “The cup is in our museum” that the club is following Bayraktar's fine-tuning plans against Fenerbahçe's championship “with dismay and sadness.” “Although we want to call Mr. Bayraktar's speech addressing the people of Trabzon ‘cheap populism' that was well-meant, it is impossible to accept or ignore these remarks targeting the Fenerbahçe brand, which has contributed a lot to Turkey. His statements are a clear sign of how a minister can move away from the feeling of equality and justice through fanaticism. We openly reject this stance against Fenerbahçe, and we consider this situation one in which he has exceeded his boundaries, with our most well-intentioned feelings,” the statements said. “We would like to reiterate that the cup for our 18th championship, which we deservedly won through our labor and great efforts, will be in our museum tomorrow as it was yesterday,” the statement added. Bayraktar also spoke on Tuesday and stood behind his remarks. “Trabzonspor was subjected to an injustice. Now that the UEFA has also accepted Trabzonspor into the Champions League, there is nothing more to say. Nobody should seek something behind my fine-tuning remarks. There are laws and they should be implemented,” he said.
Millions of people in Turkey and around the world are supporting Fenerbahce in the match-fixing case. It is very simple and clear that first and prime factor for Justice is defense. You cannot punish and body or groups, club ect. without having the suspect make defense. Anything made without having defense from the suspects is not a justice. Turkish Soccer Association punished Fenerbahce, which was the Champion of Turkey 2010-2011 and prohibited going and taking part European Championship and caused 45 Million Euros loss. Instead they send Trabzonspor which was 2.nd and have them get the money. If you think Fenerbahce is guilty then you ask to make a defense before punishing. Sorry but this is the reason millions of people are supporting Fenerbahce and the President. Because we all believe in neutral Justice
UEFA calls on Turkey to act quickly on match-fixing The scandal erupted last July when police detained 60 people in raids across Turkey including Aziz Yildirim, the chairman of league champions Fenerbahce, and other major figures in the highly lucrative domestic league. "I think it is important that the Turkish FA is taking decisions, the right decisions, with regards to this whole match-fixing situation," UEFA general secretary Infantino told a news conference at the European governing body's headquarters. He said the Turkish federation could not just wait until criminal proceedings were finalised, which could take years. "The disciplinary proceedings from the sporting side, they need to go fast, because it is important that the integrity and regularity of the competition is guaranteed as soon as possible," Infantino said. He told Reuters that at the end of last year UEFA had not ruled out excluding clubs caught up in the match-fixing scandal from future European competitions. After the scandal broke, the TFF excluded Fenerbahce from this season's Champions League, with runners-up Trabzonspor taking part in their place.
UEFA (European Soccer Association) just released an official announcement stating that UEFA does not get involved in any National Soccer Association desicions. UEFA only take necesary disiplinary actions if there is any offense within the European Championship which is under the jurisdiction of UEFA. UEFA does not get involved in all National interim problems. In Turkish match-fixing case Turkish Soccer Association punished Fenerbahce without having them defend themselves. Now in CAST if they lose the case, they have to pay almost 50 million Euros. I personally believe in Justice and Soccer Associations are not Judges and they have to wait until the official Court make a final decision. What happens if the Soccer Association punishes a club or a player and later official Court drop all charges?
Turkish Football Federation is really corrupted. Let me explain.. -Aziz Yıldırım, Fenerbahce President, has been in jail for almost a year. It has been proven that he was involved in match fixing scandal. His lastest statement is that all clubs are involved in match-fixing.He is not even denying that he wasn't involved in match-fixing. He wasn't sentenced yet,his case is still continuing that's why I don't want to make any further comments. -Turkish Football Federation only banned 2 players, Ümit Karan(32, retired) and İbrahim Akın(Istanbul Buyuksehir Player - banned for 3 years). I have listened to Ibrahim's statements, he was shocked that he was the only one to be punished. Can a single player do the match-fixing and be banned and the rest of them be not guilty? There are more than 20 millions of Fenerbahce supporters in Turkey and T.F.F. doesn't have the guts to ban Fenerbahce...End of story...
He is in prison due to some politic reasons ,Fenerbahce is the most popular team of country therefore radical islamists think that if they can take control of this club things will be easier for them (to run their projects)Aziz Yıldırım and many other board members were arrested becouse of this ,judgement still going on and most of them already out.In a few months Aziz Yıldırım will also be out since islamists had to step back after huge protest of Fenerbahce fans(they buried some police cars and this kind of things may increase at coming months if they dont make a fair judgement asap!)Story is this.
Any team who are involved in match-fixing should be penalized. Even if they are so called "big" clubs. If the directors, managers, senior leadership is involved, then the whole club should be penalized, with relegation and fines... If it is only a few players involved, then those players should be punished (banned from football for a year etc), and any benefits that the club has gained from those match-fixings should be taken away (titles, cups, etc.).
By the way it was with great evindence that FB management did match-fixings... OK Turkish FF is not all clean but at least TFF took some action, even though it cost some people's jobs at TFF. In the end this process will be a big lesson to all the clubs forcing them to think twice or thrice before they attempt match-fixing in the future.