Match 9 - GRE : CZE - LANNOY (FRA)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 10, 2012.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Tuesday, 12 June - Wroclaw - 12:00 EST
    Greece : Czech Republic
    Referee: Stéphane LANNOY (FRA)
    Assistant referees: Frédéric Cano (FRA) , Michael Annonier (FRA)
    Additional assistant referees: Fredy Fautrel (FRA) , Ruddy Buquet (FRA)
    Fourth official: Matej Jug (SVN)
    Reserve official: Primož Arhar (SVN)
    UEFA Delegate: Nodar Akhalkatsi (GEO)
    UEFA Referee observer: Bo Karlsson (SWE)

    This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
     
  2. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All to play for in this one. The Czechs can get right back in the thick of things with a victory, especially with Greece down their central defender. Both teams will be rooting for Russia in the second match, I would assume

    Expect the calls to get that much more important and the players to be even more amped up than the first match. Should be interesting.
     
  3. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats a way to start a must win game.

    About to throw some ribs on the grill too. Should be a fun day.
     
  4. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    saw the second goal and the cze player tackled the greece defender from behind to get to the ball , kinda looked like a foul there
     
  5. Rob_420

    Rob_420 Member

    Jun 2, 2006
    Montreal
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Reminds me of the Euro 2004 semis where the Czechs were all over the Greeks to start the match and Greece weren't ready at all. No goals were scored that day for the Czechs unlike today.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No way. Not even close. This is the third time that you've seemed to invent something that just wasn't there.
     
  7. RichM

    RichM Member

    Barcelona
    United States
    Nov 18, 2009
    Meridian, ID
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ref tripped, but looks like Czech player got all ball :)
     
  8. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    Contact to the head for the Czech player - only gets yellow. IMO, it could have been red.
     
  9. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    And that should have been a caution to the Greek player.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good yellow. I just wonder if Lannoy's over-running left him unsighted on the subsequent challenge right outside the penalty area after the free kick. Looked peculiar, but no replay yet.
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Greek player ducks as well. It's reckless, but where is there excessive force?
     
    footyref1 repped this.
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Maybe in some matches, but not here in that situation. You just gave a caution and then you know you might have missed a foul. Plus it wasn't that bad insofar as force and the tactical nature of it was in doubt. I think a simple foul was the right way to handle it.
     
  13. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Eh, yellow is justifiable I think. It didn't quite reach the "De Jong" level where it was without any regard for the player's safety. I think he showed some concern and was actually trying to play the ball, whereas De Jong was just out of his mind.
     
  14. elonpuckhog

    elonpuckhog Member

    Dec 29, 2009
    I must have missed the foul that wasn't called that MassRef is talking about. I suppose this is why Lannoy is reffing this match and I'm at home on my couch :) Good opportunity to learn though (if I ever get on a pitch again myself).
     
  15. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Man, Elon is the last ref I want to do my games! No one would be left on the field! I'm just playing with you, Elon.
     
  16. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wasn't even close to De Jong!!! I hope we haven't reached the stage where every raised foot in a major competition is compared to that single foul.

    Czech player here was standing, raised his boot, got the ball and hit the Greek player as he brings his boot down. It was dangerous given where the Greek player was, a deserved foul, and a worthy caution.

    De Jong flew through the air and planted his studs into the chest of an opponent with an incredible level of force.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Possible foul. It happened right after the free kick, as Lannoy got deep and the ball came out of the penalty area. There was a collision and the Greek player went down... not exactly sure what happened but it seemed clear Lannoy didn't see it, but also knew something happened.
     
  18. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, that's my point. There was no malice involved in this challenge, just mis-timed it.

    However, what if he planted his foot directly in the face of Karagounis? Not saying it would be wrong, but it would be hard to sell just a yellow in that situation.
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thats one hell of an offside call.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Weren't only his arm and shoulder ahead, though?

    Hate to play contrarian, but I'm not certain it was right. Unless his head was slightly ahead of the line...
     
  21. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's my initial though too. I've only seen one replay and it's very hard to tell. That said, I'll defer to the AR, he's made some good calls thus far in the half.
     
  22. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    howabout the goal that got ruled by offside although the players were on the same line ? am i still seeing things ? :confused:

    but seriously how can you say not even close , even without the slowmotion replay you must wonder how the czech player was able to tab in the ball while there is a greek player infront of him , the defender didnt just trip and fall without anyone tackling him

    i may be old but im not delusional god dam it , im not thaaat old :oops:
     
  23. Macsen

    Macsen Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 5, 2007
    Orlando
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Greece 0-2 Czech Rep. HT
     
  24. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, good performance so far. It helps that the scoring opened up early. The Greeks know that this may be the end of their Euros if they can't pull out a result and thus, have been playing soccer, not any cynical stuff from either team. Good attacking soccer. Should be a fun second half.
     
  25. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The fact that NO ONE complained should tell you everything you need to know about that play. No way that was a foul.

    The offside you speak of was very, very close. Again, only seeing one replay and it was still very tight on replay I'll defer to the AR. At full speed that is a very tough decision to make, especially since the attacker was off by a yard or more just a moment before.
     

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