Match 64: FRA : CRO - PITANA (ARG)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2018: Refereeing' started by balu, Jul 12, 2018.

  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Match #64
    France : Croatia
    Sunday, 15 July 2018
    18:00 local time (11:00 EDT)
    Moscow

    Referee: Nestor Pitana (ARG)
    AR1: Hernan Maidana (ARG)
    AR2: Juan Pablo Belotti (ARG)
    Fourth Official: Bjorn Kuipers (NED)
    Reserve AR: Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
     
  2. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Pitana's ninth World Cup match, bringing him outright second in the all-time list, two behind Irmatov.
     
  3. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Did something of note happened the last time an argentine was the ref in a WC Final played by France?

    :ninja:
     
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  4. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
    AVAR 1: Mauro Vigliano (ARG)
    AVAR 2: Carlos Astroza (CHI)
    AVAR 3: Danny Makkelie (NED)
     
  5. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Zidane was sent off for a head butt, but other than that...
     
  6. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Some always say it was the first VAR instance in the history of the game!
     
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  7. Pierre Head

    Pierre Head Member+

    Dec 24, 2005
    FWIW, here are my predictions for this Final.
    Knowing that no cards will be issued early, and no-one will be sent off no matter what, the talent players will be targeted for rough treatment.
    Specifically Mbappe, Pogba and Griezmann will get heavy treatment from Croatian defenders, especially Lovren and Vida.
    LIkewise, Modric and Mandzukic will get the hammer from the French defenders, Umtiti and Matuidi.

    Pitana will get his angry face on and do a lot of pointing and waving arms, all to no avail.
    A card will eventually come out for delaying a free kick to demonstrate his match control.

    There will be some very heavy tackles, probably not the full De Jong karate kick, but something close.

    If it goes to Extra time, with about 5 minutes left, there may be a red card at last.

    YMMV! Enjoy the match!

    PH
     
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  8. Iranian Monitor

    Iranian Monitor Member+

    Aug 18, 2004
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    In my opinion, a good referee should be able to tell within the first 10-15 minutes of a game what posture is appropriate for the match. If he sees two teams trying to play the game, and don't appear to be making hacking an opposing player part of their game tactics and strategy, he should let the teams play and adopt a lenient approach to the occasional and inevitable poor tackles that happen in every game. On the other hand, if he senses that one or the other side is making a point of constantly hacking and roughing up key players on the other side, he shouldn't show reluctance handing out cards and issuing appropriate warnings early on. To me, at least, when it comes to cards, focusing on simply the play at issue and not the context in the game, is wrong. In one game, the same tackle might properly be called a foul without any cards being issued and in another game, not showing any cards for that same tackle would be a huge error on the part of the referee.
     
  9. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    A 2CT against the player who got the DR caution earlier. :D
     
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  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Blue is an interesting choice....
     
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  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Second PIADM of the cup?
     
  12. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Let's see how he deals with the repeated fouling by Croatia in the French Defensive 3rd.
     
  13. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really a better choice. Croatia in red (kind of), France in dark blue. That takes black and red out. Keepers are in yellow and green. Light blue is really the only choice. France’s blue is close to black, so it’s not an issue as I’m watching on TV.
     
  14. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cue “no more” hand motions. That’ll stop it.
     
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  15. Bubba Atlanta

    Bubba Atlanta Member+

    Mar 2, 2012
    Yep, Atlanta
    Club:
    Atlanta United FC
    One of my daughters texts: "Did they intentionally choose the scariest looking referee they could find?"

    "Yes. That's what they mean when they talk about 'presence.'"
     
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  16. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
  17. kayakhorn

    kayakhorn Member+

    Oct 10, 2011
    Arkansas
    Results in a goal
     
  18. mfw13

    mfw13 Member+

    Jul 19, 2003
    Seattle
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Pitana gets conned by Griezmann's dive, and it leads directly to a France goal.

    Ouch!
     
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  19. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    So, is that dive now part of the buildup that can be reviewed.

    Bad call there.
    He was duped
     
  20. rougou

    rougou Member+

    Dec 7, 2003
    Hyogo
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Clear dive
     
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  21. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Pogba who pushed the defender that resulted in the goal was offside , why no VAR ?!?!?!
     
  22. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Var will be looked at differently now. In the long run
     
  23. CanadaFTW

    CanadaFTW Member

    Jun 21, 2007
    Is that goal offside if Pogba was in an offside position (I think he is just on but it is super close).
     
  24. Orange14

    Orange14 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 27, 2007
    Bethesda, MD
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Wow, if this is the match winner Pitana will be upset
     
  25. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Couldn’t tell on brief reply whether Pogba was in the offside position when free kick was taken. If he was, was he offside b/c he challenged an opponent for the ball?
     

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