Match 6 - IRL : CRO - KUIPERS (NED)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sunday, 10 June - Poznan - 2:45 EST
    Republic of Ireland : Croatia
    Referee: Bjorn KUIPERS (NED)
    Assistant referee: Sander van Roekel (NED), Erwin Zeinstra (NED)
    Additional assistant referee: Pol van Boekel (NED), Richard Liesveld (NED)
    Fourth official: Viktor Shvetsov (UKR)
    Reserve official: Oleksandr Voytyuk (UKR)
    UEFA Delegate: Adonis Procopiou (CYP)
    UEFA Referee observer: Iouri Baskakov (RUS)

    Kuipers has his full Dutch quintet assisting him. The fourth official is Shvetsov of Ukraine.

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  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kuipers did the 2011 Super Cup in Monaco. He's the first Dutch referee in quite some time to show any real promise on the international stage, as the Netherlands went through Blom, Vink and Braahmaar in the past 5 years... with only Vink making a major tournament (EURO 08) and not getting marquee assignments. Kuipers major matches in the recent past:

    UCL: Barcelona v Milan (QF), CSKA v Real Madrid (R16), Bayern v Napoli, Trabzonspor v Lille, Basel v Man United

    EURO 2012 qualifying: Wales v Switzerland, Latvia v Croatia, Northern Ireland v Slovenia, Republic of Ireland v Estonia (playoff)

    A bit odd that he saw both Croatia and Republic of Ireland in qualifying. I had heard UEFA was trying to avoid putting referees on teams they saw in qualifying. He's not the first referee this has happened to, but it sticks out that he saw both and he saw Ireland in its playoff. It's a quirk, really: he's reffing two straight Irish matches in the same competition.
     
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  3. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    somewhat unfair to call Northren Ireland and later Republic of Ireland, two Irish matches without futher explenation ... from a football PoV they're two mutually independent teams with no 'links' other than a shared name
     
  4. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's not what I meant (and those weren't even consecutive). He did Republic of Ireland's playoff match in November. He's doing their first round group stage match today. Those are two straight matches--even though they are separated by nearly seven full months. That's why I called it a quirk.
     
  5. Sian

    Sian Member

    Dec 4, 2011
    ahh ... missread ... nvm then
     
  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ballack replaced by Tommy Smyth...NOOOOOOOOOOO.

    Please give us back Ballack. We won't complain anymore!
     
  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    I like the grey shirts.
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like the decision not to call that last foul tactical. Thought it certainly was, but replays showed differently.

    Kuipers hasn't had too much to do, yet, but also feel he hasn't put a foot wrong yet.
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Someone in the crowd has a whistle. It fooled the commentators.
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And I hope that extra whistle in the stadium doesn't become a problem. Thankfully, doesn't seem like the players respond to it at all.
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    Fooled me on the goal. Thought Kuipers blew the whistle.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. And for a moment I thought it fooled Croatia, but they didn't protest. Guess they just were expecting a flag.

    The thought-process behind it baffles me. Also don't understand how someone nearby wouldn't make him choke on it. It's happened at both ends, so there doesn't seem to be an obvious partisan motivation behind it.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    United States
    Well, one might argue he got that one wrong. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, but likely lowers his credibility with Croatia.
     
  14. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    Yep. I thought it was precisely backwards. I wonder what he saw?
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    United States
    Thought he got one backwards earlier too when the Irish player undercut the Croat but he gave the FK to ROI.
     
  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Good decision there IMO. Defender made a controlled kick at the ball.
     
  17. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fireworks!

    Nice patience by the A/R - I could see worry about offside on the seeing this live - replay confirms no offside by Jelavic. Well done by the Grey Team.
     
  18. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Those are always interesting. You have to look at this Irish guys feet, are they backing into the Croat player? If not I say it's fine.
     
  19. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Hearing whistles several times, seeing hesitation by players upon hearing it.
     
  20. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Good yellow on Andrews, that was a silly challenge.
     
  21. puyol

    puyol Member+

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    Dec 24, 2009
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    the ball came off a deflection from a croation player so it shouldve been an offside
     
  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup. I agree. I keep thinking he could have sold the decision better, but I'm not exactly sure how--might be one of those cases where the defense is just never going to agree so he just try to get on with it.

    And now a good first caution.
     
  23. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No - look at what you wrote - it deflected off a Croatian player - he didn't control it. Play was from a deliberate attempt at clearance by Irish player, deflected of Croat to Jelavic's feet. Good play.
     
  24. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I didn't see a deflection, was it really slight because it didn't effect the path of the ball much.
     
  25. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Whoa...the Croatian player doesn't have to control it, he just has to touch it.
     

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