Match 59 (QF) - Germany v Argentina - Post-Match Thread [R]

What does the champions league got to do with anything? Not enough club level superstar flops at this WC for you? Maicon, Lucio and Cesar musta been kicking serious ass.

Zanetti, Milito and Cambiasso won the CL therefore they would do good for Argentina? WTF lol. Hey Burdisso won the triple too. He rocked.

Riquelme, tell me exactly what he won for Argentina? What did he do in Copa America '07 Final vs. Brazil? He disappeared. There's a reason why they shipped his ass back to Argentina. He's an old underachiever that quit the national team so good riddance.

 

Oh, Come'on!!! you are kidding right?

I know that Maradona's fans are using any argument to defend their beloved idol, but this ridiculous argument just doesn't cut.

Maradona building a team for the future? ... yeah sure, Diego's master plan was always to send young unexperienced guys to get trashed in Southafrica, so they can learn and be ready for 2014. I suppose that is the reason he recruited younglings like Veron and Palermo

Let be serious here. Maradona and Argentina were dead set on winning THIS WC. Southafrica 2014 was the target, it was supposed to be Argentina's cup. Diego selected the players he thought were the ones who would make Argentina a world champion again.

Nothing wrong with that, but he made serious mistakes. He didn't take people like Cambiasso, Zanetti, Saviolita, Dallesandro, Milito. Those players would have provided a lot of offensive and defensive options. But Maradona was blinded with his "Vamos, vamos, Argentina!!!" attitude

Only thing I agree with you is in not taking Riquelme; because he is old, broken and he has been playing like crap the last few years. And on top of that, he is a crying primmadonna that creates problems everywhere he goes

 

You don't know a lot about Argentina, do you? believe me, things like that happen all the time... just like americans electing Bush TWICE

 

Well it all started, with media taunts from the German players 4-5 days before kick off. True to Maradona form, he started talking. I thought he would be quiet, but the media had to add fuel to the fire by asking him the questions.

 

Truly incredible, all in a year's work. His first full professional season. Not too shabby for a 20 year old.

How bout the ball he played through to Podolski for Germany's second goal while he was on the floor and facing backwards?

 

The "away" jersey I just ordered was going to be between Mueller or Oezil. I picked Mueller because of that exact move.

 

How Germany will miss him against Spain....

 

El Diego, "the People's Maradona" an egomaniac? Say it ain't so, Diego.

When they make a shrine and worship you on the spaccanapoli, maybe it's difficult to be humble.

 

That was the craziest assist that will never be considered an assist by FIFA in this WC. Haha.

He also gave Klose a great shot on goal in the first half of the game. Could have easily gotten two more assists in this game. 4 goals, 5 assists.

 

Some funny comments here. Especially about Germany raiding other countries for talented football players. Everyone with some knowledge about international football would tell you something differently. To be exact it´s even the opposite and Germany gets scouted constantly by a couple of countries in search of some talented footballers. Mainly by Turkey, but also more and more by a couple of African countries. You won´t find any German scouts doing the same in other countries btw.

To thepremierleague guy. I agree with you, that England was way more dangerous when going forward than Argentina. I would even say that Argentina had not even one single quality goal chance in the whole match (and no Argentina´s offside goal was no real chance!).
England in comparison had at least four. Two goals, a freekick at the crossbar and one good chance near the end, where Neuer could only hardly deflect the ball around the post. In comparison against Argentina he could catch every single shot which was on target.
Btw I even predicted in another thread, that after the game we will argue that England was better than Argentina (okay I was half kidding there...). After having watched both of Germany´s game against England and then Argentina in full again, I think you seriously can argue that this was the case. Especially if you take the second not given England goal into account.
Nevertheless if England wants to get better in the future, they should concentrate on other things than arguing about, if they are less bad than Argentina were against us. Not that I would want England to get better though...

For Argentina´s sake you also have to say, that the German team played with full power and concentration until the end against them. While against England we switched back one or two gears in the last 20 minutes. Also Argentina played better against the other teams they played before Germany, than England played against the minnows they had before meeting Germany.

Another remark to Argentina. I was surprised how fair they (players and fans) behaved before, during and after the match. In the end it even felt to me, like they just became too nice and determined to prove Schweinsteiger wrong. A bit more passion and aggressiveness towards us/Germany maybe would helped them more to get into this game in an "awake" state, instead of still half sleeping and probably still dreaming about exchanging kisses with Diego...


P.S.: Don´t know if someone said it already, but Messi wasn´t even fouled once against Germany!

 

Wow this really perpetuates the stereotype of Argentinians being sore losers.

Is it the automatic response for an Argentinian backlash after a loss to state it was incited by racial slurs? I swear I read something similar in the Argentina forum a few days ago stating it was anti-semitic insults hurled at the Argentina team by the German National Team and its managers as to the reason for the 2006 brawl. Sounds like complete nonsense.

As for the second part of your post, it's just silly and someone above has already educated you.

 

Bundesliga isn't weak at all!!!
Actual Bundesliga holds place 4 in Europe, very, very close to place 3, the distance to Italy's Serie A is just 0,131 points!
Bundesliga will pass Serie A next season!
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method4/crank2010.html

The Bundesliga is unterrated, yes, we don't have overpaid so called "world stars", we don't need them! Look what happened to the english team, cause the Premierleague has so many stars from all over the world.
We have wonderful stadia, they are packed every weekend, even many "football travelers" from England are excited about the Bundesliga!

 

I remember hearing the BBC 5 or BBC/ITV call Bundesliga weak. I also remember hearing the same thing said about the Eredivisie.

Pundits.

German football works for German football and that's a good thing.

 

time for a purse war..

 

I was HOPING, begging he would focus on the game. True to form, he goes by the same script day in and day out. His antics got crazier and crazier as his narcissism grew.

I don't even want to talk about it, it just shows that we picked the wrong guy.

 

Well, I think you started off with a complete strawman. You have no evidence of them being "sore winners". Sounds far more like oversensitive Argentinians being super sore losers to me.

 

Dude you have some serious Argentina hate.

Half your posts are about them.


Anyways I haven't seen any sore losers this time around. Our team has been one of the best well-received back home out of anyone.

 

It doesn't feel like that. There's no criticism in the papers I'm reading about Maradona, there's not starring each other in the face saying we told each other so. There's parades, love and encouragement to keep using him. We're wasting the greatest player in a generation on someone who doesn't know a lick about coaching, and people are satisfied with that.

 

Well I read in one of your posts recently that you have been playing football all your life; yet, quite oddly you think Messi is over-rated.

He was put in a role where his main job was to produce and assist balls. He has four assists in the tournament, and the chances he procured were only offsets by just inches.

If you do think Messi is overrated, would you please tell us who you think is rated properly?

 

Bastian Schweinsteiger, for one.

 

Some kind of "ethnical globalization".

That´s the point. Messi alone cannot win a match on this level, let alone a championship. He desperately needs support from the midfield to give him the opportunity to deliver, either assists or to score himself. And that Argentina lacked in the quarter final (at least). So Messi did not have the freedom to play like he needed to for Argentina to advance. That was decisive in this match, among the early goal Argentina conceded.