Match 57 (QF): NED : ARG - MATEU LAHOZ (ESP)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Dec 7, 2022.

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What do you think of Mateu Lahoz's performance?

Poll closed Dec 10, 2022.
  1. 1 (worst)

    26.4%
  2. 2

    17.0%
  3. 3

    24.5%
  4. 4

    20.8%
  5. 5

    3.8%
  6. 6

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 7

    3.8%
  8. 8

    1.9%
  9. 9

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 10 (best)

    1.9%
  1. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    How was that not 2 yellows?
     
  2. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Shocking refereeing.
     
  3. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    I just have to see it again. But, I mean, where do we draw the line on deliberate spikes?
     
  4. ManiacalClown

    ManiacalClown Member+

    Jun 27, 2003
    South Jersey
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So we have a ball deliberately blasted at the opponent's technical area following a reckless foul, resulting in the substitutes entering the field in a mass physical confrontation, and the result was just a caution for the foul? That's a choice.
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The first possible misconduct he punished was against the attacker. So if we were being stickler's, it's IFK coming out anyway. If you want to say the keeper needed to be cautioned, that changes things. But he didn't do that so the point is moot on the restart.
     
  6. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    and the substitutes all rush the field with no repercussions
     
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  7. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes. If someone committed misconduct that warrants a stoppage then they deserve the kick.
     
  8. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Wow, Paredes needed two yellow cards (or a yellow and a straight red) there. One for the foul, and then another for blasting the ball into the opponents' bench.

    I was very happy with Lahoz in the first half, but he seems lost now.
     
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  9. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I’m sorry. I get this is a WC but how you ignore that is beyond me. It’s no different than Otamendi not once but twice striking a ball at the head of a player who was down in the last WC. It’s just willfully ignoring the LOTG.
     
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  10. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    He shouldn't see another match to be honest
     
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  11. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    I'm 100% sure I would have gone two yellows on Paredes. Would I have been wrong to do so?
     
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  12. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    An important note, that whole situation can be avoided if he calls the first foul, a clear jump by Ake through Messi's back. What is fourth official Gomes doing, it's right in front of him. The revenge tackle that kicked everything off afterwards is the result.
     
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  13. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 25, 2006
    Horrible should have been a second caution and a caution for Van Dijk
     
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  14. chwmy

    chwmy Member+

    Feb 27, 2010
    As much as it pains me to agree with anything these announcers say, I think YC 2YC is right here. If it had struck a Dutch substitute, could be straight red.
     
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  15. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Lahoz going anti-Lahoz doesn’t want to make it about him giving a RC probably
     
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  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any game I do that's VC.
     
  17. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    One yellow for all that? Maybe that’s what FIFA wants, but that is atrocious.
     
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  18. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Yes, because at least one of them should be straight red :p
     
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  19. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're dancing around things and much more interesting events have happened since. I'll leave it here: look when he blew the whistle. The players that eventually got booked were not really involved yet and, to the extent one was, it was the attacker. So at worst you have IFK coming out as the criticism. But, at best, maybe he engaged in some smart preventative refereeing to ensure things didn't escalate beyond where they were. Not everything in refereeing is blowing the whistle and reacting to events.
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the other matter... shocked he didn't send of Parades. But I wonder if he reasoned he would have had to send off Van Dijk, too.
     
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  21. fairplayforlife

    fairplayforlife Member+

    Mar 23, 2011
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But the key to you point is he blew the whistle. If you want to handle it creatively then don’t do that. Just get in there and break it up.
     
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  22. djmtxref

    djmtxref Member

    Apr 8, 2013
    There might be little discussion about the referee after the game, but it’s not going to be that negative.

    Only referees will be talking.
     
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  23. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    96:45 fan tapping his wrist, middle finger and yelling F YOU
     
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  24. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Can Paredes be punished after the match for the "shoot at the other team's bench" offense?
     
  25. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Lahoz is just gifting Argentina decisions now.
     
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