Match 57 (QF): NED : ARG - MATEU LAHOZ (ESP)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Dec 7, 2022.

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What do you think of Mateu Lahoz's performance?

Poll closed Dec 10, 2022.
  1. 1 (worst)

    26.4%
  2. 2

    17.0%
  3. 3

    24.5%
  4. 4

    20.8%
  5. 5

    3.8%
  6. 6

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. 7

    3.8%
  8. 8

    1.9%
  9. 9

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. 10 (best)

    1.9%
  1. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Great first half from Lahoz, this has been one of the more challenging knockout games so far
     
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  2. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Great... Great as in BIG?

    EDIT : like this, "And the great White Whale sped away. And the sea rolled on as it had been rolling for five thousand years . . ."
    - Herman Melville
     
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  3. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    54' - Never fails to amuse me (in the best way) when Lahoz just starts having a town hall meeting with players while the ball is in play.
     
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  4. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    How is that not a yellow?
     
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  5. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    55'

    Messi is too important to be cautioned, I guess.
     
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  6. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Announcers not knowing what SPA is
     
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  7. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    55' - Good example of deliberate handling that is not a YC. (Queue flashbacks of your local amateur men's hothead screaming "where's the card, that's intentional!")
     
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  8. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? It's never SPA.
     
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  9. Ickshter

    Ickshter Member+

    Manchester City
    Mar 14, 2014
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Messi magic also pertains to cards I suppose....
     
  10. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    56:26 he signals throw-in direction with his head :D
     
  11. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Guys it’s only a caution when it stops a promising attack. Or if it’s so egregious…which Messi’s was not.

    The one in the 1H did stop a promising attack…Memphis was about to go around with possession. That’s the difference.
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A little concerning there's this big of a disconnect here over the Messi handball.
     
  13. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    Not egregious?!

    Hard disagree.
     
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  14. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    Egregious like grabbing the ball out of midair and walking away with it.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Deliberately handling the ball is a DFK under the handball offense law.
     
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  16. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    61' soft foul in a dangerous territory, for my taste.
     
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  17. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    He handled the ball deliberately
     
  18. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    We need an MLB foreign substances check on NED keepers gloves.
     
  19. AremRed

    AremRed Member+

    Sep 23, 2013
    We agree!
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Which is a DFK offense and not a card. The card would be for SPA or trying to score a goal with the arm.
     
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  21. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We talk a decent amount about how consistently carding SPA could promote better soccer.

    Calling fouls when a defender puts two hands on the attacker as he starts to blow by him and the attacker is also one of the best players on the planet falls in this realm for me. Of course Messi goes down easily. But he's only in a position to do so because Van Dijk is unfairly trying to stop him from doing something potentially special. Don't want to giveaway a DFK from 20 yards? Don't put both hands on him there. Of course, then you run the risk of getting sliced apart in the penalty area.
     
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  22. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    I will rewatch it, but in real time that looked like an egregious action... If there is such a thing as beyond deliberate, this was that from the one watch I had.
     
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  23. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Okay, and a WC KO match with Messi on a nothing play at midfield is where we're going to start applying our own subjective line for "egregious action" when that's not even in the Laws?

    Sorry, I feel pretty strongly that carding this just fuels a myth. And it's 100% the wrong tactical decision in this situation if you're the referee even if it's a hill you would normally die on for whatever reason.
     
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  24. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    There's only three possible justifications for a YC to Messi for that handling offense:
    • [handling] the ball in an attempt to score a goal (whether or not the attempt is successful) or in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent a goal
    • [showing] a lack of respect for the game
    • [handling] the ball to interfere with or stop a promising attack
    Make a case for one of these and I'll recant.
     
  25. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's no level of handball in the laws beyond what is covered under handball offenses. The only justifiable way to caution someone for handling the ball is because it was Spa, they attempted to prevent a goal but the goal was still scored, or an attacker attempted to score a goal with their hand. Nothing else is covered no matter how intentional, blatant or egregious
     
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