Match 54 (R16) - Brazil v Chile - Post-Match Thread [R]

Yep...the plan for Chile was to take Group H and avoid Brazil...we were close but Suazo's injury prevented us from scoring more than our rivals and getting a superior goal difference.

I'll support Ghana and the other S.Americans now.

 

Chile has way better players than USA.

 

The reason was he couldn't receive the ball. And the reason for that is that, that's how we play. We defend with our forwards before our mids, and our mids before our defense, and lastly our defense. It had more to do with Chile than Kaka!

 

You did notice that Brazil stopped pressuring as much in midfield in the second half to allow us to go forward more, then giving them more space for a counter, right?

Valdivia helped somewhat in the elaboration, but Brazil was giving more room for us to push forward.

 

amen.

 

At this point, both teams are in the Top 9 - Top 16 range.

I think they're quite close, actually. USA is a lot better than people in Europe and South America want to concede.

USA, Mexico, Ghana, Ivory Coast, Japan and South Korea are good teams, in spite of their confederations. It's a bit of snobbery that stops some people from recognizing that.

 

Nah, seriously I noticed our defense changed to
Vidal, Fuentes, Jara
-----Carmona
Isla----------Tello
------Valdivia
Sanchez, suazo, bose

When this happened we moved our lines up and started pressuring further forward (more back for brazil).

 

Man, I want to see this Chile playing in Copa America. But that means keeping El Loco, and maybe getting someone to help him with defending. He still lacks there.

IMHO, Chile is the team that has played the most innovative football I've seen in this cup.

 

The USA had an easy group. Did you see them play against England? There's no mid field. Againts Ghana there was no pressure.

They don't know how to pass a ball and push forward. When their in trouble they give it to the keeper and he just kicks it passed mid field. Chile comes out playing, making plays.

I'm not dogging the US, I was cheering for them. I live in Miami, so c'mon. Mexico plays a little better, Ghana and Ivory coast are both pretty good teams. But USA individuality vs Chile's individuality there's no comparison man.

this might be the only advantage, even though Bravo is a good keeper howard > Bravo.

 

Let's go I'm saving money for next year!

Bielsa does need to stay I was talking shit mad because he turned into nelson acosta for the 1st half which pissed me off. Either way Im proud and good luck Brazil we love y'all.

And thanks for Bielsa I love argentina too.

Vamos Argentina, Brazil, urugay and paraguay dammit!

 

You forget that it was the first one and most crucial imo,which pretty match opened your defence and resulted in this defeat.Until the first brazil goal, chile was not bad.Ok,sure their play was not so fluid because of the lack of an enganche,but brazil wasn't much of a threat either.My point is that this defeat is not a flaw of chile's system.It is more like an indication that you have problem facing physical teams.This sounds more like biology to me,but it is true.The game was pretty much a replay of the copa america 2007 final.Chile had the possession and brazil the goals.I wanted so much chile to advance ,but....

 

Paraguay has Brazil's number because they are not delusional like Bielsa and the Chileans, they don't pretend to be Brazil.... they know that the way to defeat Brazil is: control the ball, press relentessly, slowdonw the flow of the game, don't give up space ... force Brazil to risk and make mistakes

Unfortunately, Bielsa is obsessed with the idea that his teams must defeat Brazil in its own game: open spaces, fast passes, full out attack .... suicidal, if you ask me

 

Good match by Chile. They have been a joy to watch this cup. Too bad they had to come up against us so early in the tournament, due to the draw. Playing like they did, I have little doubt that they would have beat Ghana, and, arguably, they're also better team than either Paraguay or Japan. They deserved to be in the last 8.

That said, they were simply outclassed today.

Great defending and clinical countering by Brasil.

Juan should be MOTM. Perfect on defense, and scored the opener with that rocket of a header off the corner.

 

You are so wrong. Chile does not play offensive football because of delusions of grandeur, we play offensive football with pressure high up the pitch because in this way we 'disguise' our shortcoming in defence (mainly hight related).

The last time Chile tried to bunker against Brazil with Nelson Acosta as coach? 6-1!

Playing high pressure up the pitch we get 3-0 and 4-2 which is a lot better imo. Shame is we lacked a finisher of quality...if only Bielsa had Zamorano and Salas at his disposal...

 

From tonight's match I have concluded that Kaka is physically past it at the grand old age of 28! He was constantly getting outpaced by the Chilean defenders. Sure he set up the first goal but the bursting runs are gone forever.

He's just like Ronaldinho, both lost their pace by their mid to late 20s. When really it should go in your early 30s.

 

YES. Also apparent in the game against Ecuador, in Quito, and both games against Uruguay. You're right on the money.

There are things that could be done to improve on that respect, but I'm not entirely sure Bielsa wants to address them if it means playing more conservately against these teams.

 

Grats Brazil. As I predicted in the pre match thread, this would end up a 3-0 score. chile played a lot better than I expected until they let the game get away from them. They looked like the better team for most of the first half and Brazil's first two goals were the result of completely busted defenses. The third goalwas just Brazil showng they were the better team, and so they go on, like every other R16 match thus far.

 

Instead than just "disguise" Chile's defence shortcoming, why not to improve Chile's defence for real?. But it seems like Bielsa feel always more confortable attacking than defending under any circunstance.

Talking about bunkering is kind of deceiving, because nobody is saying that Chile should do so against Brazil. Aggressive defense is not "bunkering". I can't imagine Paraguay or Uruguay bunkering against Brazil

And Nelson Acosta and his 6-1 is out of this discussion.... even with all his shortcomings Bielsa is way above el raton

 

Ok Chile team has a offensive style but against Brasil they must recognize they dont have the same talent and should try a defensive style. More than ever this brasilian team love to play against offensive teams using the counter-atack

 

We would but like my compatriot said, last time we played defensive soccer like that the score was 6-1, not 3-0. I'll take today's game over that. And if Chile could improve its defensive game, it would, unfortunately, our best players usually are very short, which means we get beat a lot in the air (like what happened to day).

To the other poster: It almost has to do with genetics as to why Chile can't have a great defense, but you're right, we should over come that in one way or another.

 

buena chile jugaron con garra ca********** asi se juega, se van con la frente en alto, a huevo.
saludos desde lima


congrats chile. played with a lot of heart
made us southamericans proud

 

Brasil 6-1 was in 2007 the team changed alot, nowadays Brasil team has many difficulties against very defensive teams. Dunga teams is not very creative against this style, even with Kaka and Robinho because both are not in their better shape.

 

.... or Suazo at 100 %,

....and as for what was in the past, I`d say if Elías Figueroa and Alberto Quintano were in this team, playing at their best, this same Brazil with luck and with at least 2 or 3 more players of advantage, would have been able to score only one goal. The glory from the past is already in the past, leave it there, and live only the present......

 

Maybe you're right. He didn't have a good game today. I hope you're wrong. He took alot of punishment in Serie A, and delayed operation at Madrid this season (which he barely played in) for his pubalgia, so he would be [semi] fit for the WC. We'll know for sure within the next couple seasons.