Match 52 (R16) - Argentina v Mexico - Post-Match Thread [R]

Discussion in 'World Cup 2010: Knockout Rounds' started by Caesar, Jun 26, 2010.

  1. CheveLoco

    CheveLoco Member

    Apr 19, 2005
    San Diego, CA
    it was said that was the reason why Argentine players ran up to the reff....they saw it too. And it means the whole stadium did...i bet fifa isnt too happy about that one
     
  2. navijacica

    navijacica Member

    Jun 15, 2010
    I might get another infraction but I don't think there was any need for Germany to play dirty vs Eng.

    I simply think Messi is not Maradona good to play football himself and is constantly stopped. Like I said Germany mid is very good, maybe the best on the cup so we will see how they handle the hand of the hand of god.
     
  3. BSGuy321

    BSGuy321 Member

    Sep 2, 2008
    In both games it was profound.

    The refs ruined both games today.
     
  4. mistert06

    mistert06 Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    What's the rationale for not having 5 or 6 on-field refs? I don't think anyone wants video review for every little call. That would really kill the game. But having two line refs on each sideline, or even two field refs would double up on the eyes. Has FIFA given a rationale for keeping the number of refs to 3, besides tradition?
     
  5. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    General discussions about how to solve this problem, even if this problem affected this game, are best suited for another thread or forum:

    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=262

    I agree video would kill the game and have argued that video is not the solution - I invite everyone else to join the argument there.

    As for this particular game - the call seemed to kill Mexican spirits and maybe even contributed to Osorio's gaffe. But you have to get up and deal with it if you want a chance to win, not let it get to you.

    On the other hand perhaps there's a collective, larger-than-this-game sort of feeling that has even infected the players with all this talk. Hopefully it contributes to change in the long-term.
     
  6. juanse_moncayo

    Jul 29, 2004
    Columbus OH- Ecuador
    Club:
    Liga de Quito
    Nat'l Team:
    Ecuador
    I agree completely. I would like to see 4 linesmen
     
  7. navijacica

    navijacica Member

    Jun 15, 2010
    I don't think you can compare a lost goal and received goal.
     
  8. ajaxpsv

    ajaxpsv New Member

    Nov 8, 2004
    L.A.
    Club:
    PSV Eindhoven
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    To correct the Ref.,linesmen mistakes could be easily solved. The Ref.'s all have headsets, now that could be on line to a 'Ref.' with game feed monitors, and in 5-10 seconds a corrected call could be made. Little, to no, game speed slow down.
    FIFA now has lighted games now, not just the sun. :rolleyes:
    FIFA step-up make it right, it can be easy, and better. :eek:
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    A lost goal when you are behind and a received goal when you're tied seem to me to be comparable.
     
  10. Alan S

    Alan S Member

    Jun 1, 2001
    Palo Alto, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    +1. for this post.
     
  11. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    A lost goal when you are behind and a received goal when you're tied seem to me to be comparable. If anything, how late in the game it happens would be a mitigating factor.
     
  12. mistert06

    mistert06 Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    Kind of depends, really. In one case, you think, now we need to score or we're out. In the other case, you think, now we need to score again or we're out. Subtle, but important difference. Either way it's terrible, but having an illegal goal be allowed is probably a worse feeling than having a legal goal missed. Especially when it is replayed on the screens, and the call is so clearly wrong. If it really was replayed, which it sure seems like from the video of the players pointing up, then that decision by the stadium screen operators may have made Mexico's situation way worse. I think it's far better not to know either way, than to have the evidence before you and not be able to do anything about it.
     
  13. navijacica

    navijacica Member

    Jun 15, 2010
    Well, the first goal decides how the game will be played throughout whole match.
     
  14. vhatever

    vhatever Red Card

    Jun 16, 2010
    USA
    The screwed up ref call for Argentina was a "go ahead goal", much like the Wembley 1966 goal was a "go ahead goal". Such goals dramatically change the gameplay of the team getting screwed over by them.

    In the Germany/England match, the call was not a "go ahead" score, and only marginally changed the complexion of the game. There is no way England would have played to a draw with Germany with their PK history, so they would have been trying to put another point up anyway.

    Both calls sucked, unfortunately. But I think the better teams won in both occassions. Mexico looked like the better team for maybe 10 minutes, England maybe 15.
     
  15. Loco

    Loco Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    May 1, 2005
    Miami
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Vamos Argentina!!
    Showed great stuff today! Golazo from Tevez. The only goal we gave up was once we started playing soft defense b/c we had a 3 goal advantage.

    A little worried about the game against Germany, it will be our first real test in this WC. They will be the first real big team that we will play, but we got Messi and co.

    Great job today; don't mind the sore losers.
     
  16. navijacica

    navijacica Member

    Jun 15, 2010
    Mexico controlled the middle and I really am puzzled what you are talking about. Since Mexico untill the goal (which happened in 26 minute) hit bar 2 times, were in general very solid attacking team and they picked up after ARG bunkered, which was another bad call by Maradona because ARG is simply not strong enough in defense to bunker.
     
  17. yossarin

    yossarin Member

    Nov 4, 2007
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    In case you missed it in the PBP thread, Heize bitch slaps the camera guy

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl2mblQuNGs"]YouTube- Heinze bitch slaps the camera guy[/ame]
     
  18. mistert06

    mistert06 Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    I would have too. The guy was way too close, since Heinze bashed into it just by turning out of the huddle.
     
  19. Ordyne

    Ordyne New Member

    Jul 11, 2007
    The goal given to Argentina counted double against Mexico. first it is a goal that Argentina didn't deserve so they should not be 1-0 and Mexico should not be down by one goal... A good comeback goal by Mexico would not have placed Mexico on the lead either; as it would only just have tied the game. So Argentina after the wonderful gift by the referee was very comfortably winning by a 2-0 margin (if you know what i mean). that is a huge psychological advantage; and one from what even some of the best teams rarely ever recovers. as indicated by the statistic in this world cup where a team which was the first to score a goal, in 20 out of 25 games ended up winning the match and in only two ocasions they lost.
     
  20. Santeria

    Santeria New Member

    Sep 12, 2007
    I watched the game in Canal 7 (Argentina local) while the whole dilemma was going on the commentators said, "If they take this goal away they would also have to give England its goal" the linesman never raised the flag in the first place, so... nothing could be done.

    Bad calls/controversial plays is what makes us different from American sports, instant replay? 20 minute long reviews? commercial break? what's next throwing a little yellow flags? Professional players know that when a call is made it stands! or at least they should. Imagine if instant replay was available...

    That would kill the essence of futbol.

    Don't act like bad calls are never made in futbol; Serie A, Premier, MLS, Liga, ect... I guess the only difference here is it's the World Cup. It is what it is, it's football/soccer/futbol. Mexicans will talk about this for days/weeks/months/years in some way that's the beauty of football.

    I watched the game in a bar in downtown Seattle, many left upset overheard quiet a few saying something along of the lines of "Argentina will get screwed when they play against Germany" or "I hope Germany kills Argentina" I'm sure that's not how everyone feels, i would prefer it if Argentina won the whole thing... and say "well least we lost to the champions" thats my two cents.

    btw, I think "historic controversial" plays only qualify with quarter final games and beyond. I think the only bad call was the no call offsides.
     
  21. Andrés_

    Andrés_ Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Argentina.
    Club:
    CA Independiente
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Well, it was as difficult as expected. I liked Tevez and Otamendi, also Heinze. Messi was active but not effective, not his best match so far but neither the worst, once again the rivals decided to focus their marking on Di Maria rather than on Messi or Tevez.:confused:

    I guess the third goal came a bit early, and so the guys relaxed and allowed Mexico to dominate, which did it well not letting the midfielders play, yes i think it was both things mixed not one or the other.
     
  22. El Washatero

    El Washatero Member+

    Nov 5, 2007
    AP Top 25!
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why did Aguirre not start Barrera

    Mexico instantly became better with him on the pitch

    :mad:
     
  23. mistert06

    mistert06 Member

    Jul 4, 2006
    Sorry, I don't know what you mean. If you're saying after the first goal it was like Argentina was up 2-0, then you are saying that 2 Mexican goals would mean they were tied. But 2 Mexican goals would put them in the lead. ??? I agree that it was a gamechanger. Wish the game could have been settled by the teams more directly. Once stuff like that happens, the game is fouled. Still, a team needs to adjust to these things, regardless how bad as they are. Mexico couldn't come back from that.
     
  24. vhatever

    vhatever Red Card

    Jun 16, 2010
    USA

    And the phatom foul USA goal.

    Worst calls in the WC so far. Not seeing the goal in germany/England is explainable. The assistant ref just didnt have a good angle on it to say for sure it went in.

    There was really no excuse for the phantom foul and the offsides mex/arg goal, especially the offsides as the officials chatted it up for 3-4 minutes to finally arrive at a "ok, who cares, screw Mexico" decision.
     
  25. RybbRasta

    RybbRasta Red Card

    Jun 23, 2010
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Also Fabiano double handball goal.
     

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