Match 5 - ESP : ITA - KASSAI (HUN)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by MassachusettsRef, Jun 7, 2012.

  1. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sunday, 10 June - Gdansk - 12:00 EST
    Spain : Italy
    Referee: Viktor KASSAI (HUN)
    Assistant referee: Gabor Erös (HUN), György Ring (HUN)
    Additional assistant referee: István Vad (HUN), Tamás Bognar (HUN)
    Fourth official: William Collum (SCO)
    Reserve official: Alasdair Ross (SCO)
    UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmöelzer (AUT)
    UEFA Referee observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)

    Kassai has his full Hungarian quintet assisting him. The fourth official is Collum of Scotland.

    This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The 2011 UCL Final referee, Kassai first rose to significant prominence in Beijing, where he did the 2008 Olympic Gold Medal match. He then took charge of the Germany v Spain semifinal in South Africa, which he handled without any cards. He's only 37 years old and could be on the world stage for some time. His major matches recently:

    UCL: Real Madrid v Bayern (SF), Milan v Arsenal (R16), Bayern v Man City, Basel v Benfica, Bayer Leverkusen v Chelsea

    EURO 2012 qualifying: Spain v Czech Republic, England v Bulgaria, Belarus v Bosnia, Estonia v Republic of Ireland (playoff)
     
  3. druryfire

    druryfire Member

    Sep 10, 2007
    England
    Personal attack/rumor against referee redacted - MR
     
  4. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    WHOA you got a news report or something?
     
  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he does and it's credible, I will apologize, reinstate the post and retract the warning I issued. But I'm not holding my breath.
     
  6. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I don't really find it an attack if he's engaging in consensual relationships. It also doesn't really belong here, but I'm just wondering where this came from at all.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Come on. Really? An anonymous internet user posts a rumor about a referee's alleged sexual orientation, and you don't view it as an attack? You're taking the "not that there's anything wrong with that" mantra from Seinfeld to some illogical extremes.

    It doesn't matter what Kassai's sexual orientation is--that's not the point. What was the purpose of the post from the perspective of the poster? And ask yourself if it's accomplishing that purpose this very second.

    Let's just let it go. If you wonder where it came from, do some Googling. But I hope that's the end of discussion here.
     
    maturin and MrPerfectNot repped this.
  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thanks for the PM, SimpleGame6. Understand where you were coming from now and sorry for presuming what is essentially the opposite.
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great advantage in the 11th minute, but will Kassai come back to caution for it? Think he should, but it's typically not his style and a long time has already passed...
     
  10. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was waiting to see as well. Pretty clear caution.
     
  11. usaref

    usaref Member

    Jan 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thought it was a caution but the game moved on and he probably just felt that a caution served no purpose at that point. The Spanish didn't seem upset at all either.
     
  12. usaref

    usaref Member

    Jan 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone think that Motta's injury was a foul? The foot was slightly above waist level, but the commentators (in their infinite knowledge;)) thought that it wasn't much.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Italy seems to be doing a lot of calf-kicking. Almost as if their "careless" fouls are by design. I think Kassai should be considering PI at some point in this match if the pattern holds. But he likely won't. In a lot of ways I like Kassai, but I think some teams have figured him out. He's very much a "path of least resistance" referee, which makes matches entertaining in a lot of cases, but can lead to problems when there are situations where the referee has to step in and he doesn't.
     
  14. usaref

    usaref Member

    Jan 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What on earth was that move by the Italian player just kicking the Spanish keeper? I'm beginning to this that Mass Ref is right about designed fouling...
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And then the foul on Casillas happens... see above.
     
  16. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    "You can't get booked for beating the turf in frustration"

    Wanna bet?
    I think BAlotelli will solve that "who gets the PI" yc issue for you.
     
  17. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Should have been a caution there as well for Fabregas. IMO
     
  18. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nice call.
     
  19. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
    I win!
     
  20. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, there is the PI card. Was wrong about that. But I think it's because he has identified Balotelli, rather than a pattern by the team.
     
  21. puyol

    puyol Member+

    FC Barcelona
    Dec 24, 2009
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    hmm looked to me that balo reached the ball before pique and it wouldve been a pk , can understand balo's frustration i guess

    and that shouldve been a yellow for cesc , the ref is taking it easy for our players i guess

    yellow for balotelli now although he caught the ball first :confused:
     
  22. BarcaRef

    BarcaRef New Member

    Sep 3, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you look back from WC10 through today, I think this past of least resistance yields the best results to ascending the elite list
     
  23. usaref

    usaref Member

    Jan 13, 2012
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That took awhile didn't it?
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Right. And why wasn't it given? Because Kassai knows he didn't give that very first yellow, which was much worse. Because he applied the advantage and didn't go back, he effectively set the bar too high. And now he's been waiting for the "perfect" opportunity to card. Perfect, as we know, is the enemy of the good. He could have solved all problems by just giving the first caution on the advantage call.
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That would be a very, very interesting debate. In some cases you are right. In others, I'd argue not. Thomson, Rizzoli, Brych and Atkinson would be examples of referees who have risen pretty high in UEFA since South Africa and don't fit nicely into that category at all.
     

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