Match #49 - BRA : CHI - WEBB (ENG)

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  1. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There was a long injury and a substitution right after it, 2 was about right.
     
  2. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Lots of players going down and there was 1 Sub too.

    And Penalties.
     
  3. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    First....:)
     
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  4. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Great game by Webb. Have to give him credit. When he is on he is as good as any I've seen. He has been excellent internationally the past couple of years.

    Hopefully not the end for Webb in this World Cup. Deserves another game.
     
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  5. USSF REF

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    PERIOD 4

    110 – Close ball out call down the line by AR1, video isn’t clear.
    110 – FOUL Y16 kicked R16. Red players dropping like flies. The players are clearly tired, but not Ref!
    111 – FOUL R5 charge to Y16?
    113 – FOUL R9 tripped Y17?
    115 – FOUL R2 struck Y7 in the face, a good simple foul call.
    116 – Ball hits Ref, whoops.
    116 – FOUL Y? Bailed out the Ref for keeping the ball near the penalty area.
    118 – Y10 was tripped, I thought. No call. I think a missed foul here.
    118 – FOUL R16 trip.
    220 – Holy crap. OFF the bar for Chile! WOWZERS!
    221 - Advantage to Brazil... almost works into a great chance.
    220 – Minimum 2 minutes to be added
    END OF GAME – Tied 1-1. You know what that means! KICKS FROM THE PENALTY MARK!
     
  6. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agreed. A lessor ref would have lost control in the first half. Yes, he called a lot of fouls, but there were only 1-2 times in the second half where anyone disagreed with him. Well done from the Brits.
     
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  7. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    Very good game for Webb and crew. Had to be extremely difficult to officiate.
     
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  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I like that Webb talked to the GKs - I'm assuming he told them what is going to be allowed.
     
  9. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    and apparently they are allowed as far off the line as they want to be
     
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  10. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    With GLT, I guess the AR is there only to look at the goalkeeper's feet.
     
  11. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    And now we know .... The goal post is part of the conspiracy to help Brazil advance!!
     
  12. USSF REF

    USSF REF Guest

    KICKS FROM THE PENALTY MARK

    Keepers: Brazil - J. Cesar, Chile – Bravo

    BRAZIL Kick first

    Round 1
    Y4 – Goal
    R9 – Saved
    Brazil lead 1-0

    Round 2
    Y19 – Missed wide left
    R7 – Saved!!!
    Brazil lead 1-0

    Round 3
    Y6 – Goal
    R20 – Goal (Up90)
    Brazil lead 2-1

    Round 4
    Y7 – Saved
    R21 – Goal
    Tied 2-2

    Round 5
    Y10 – Goal
    R18 – Hit the Bar – Missed
    Brazil advance 3-2.
     
  13. GlennAA11

    GlennAA11 Member+

    Jun 12, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    And only watch...not do anything about it
     
  14. The411

    The411 Member

    Oct 12, 2013
    AR completely choked. Cesar was off early twice and it wasn't close.
     
  15. MetroFever

    MetroFever Member+

    Jun 3, 2001
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    Croatia
    Not true. It was within what is usually allowed.
     
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  16. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have to agree here. What we saw today from Cesar seems to be the norm around the world.
     
  17. USSF REF

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    For me, this was a strong performance by Webb.

    Good control, strong management, and he called it tightly enough to keep a lid on the thing. He was judicious with cautions and spoke with players as appropriate. His composure was really strong in the face of a very one-sided crowed, emotional players, and a lot of play acting. Major points for getting the handling right to rule out the goal.

    Docked for: Inconsistent application of PI, getting hit with the ball once in a dangerous area at a dangerous time, and possible just a tad loose on the GK positioning during the KFTPM.

    The X-factor: This was probably the most difficult game in the tournament, so far.

    Final Score: 92
     
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  18. Cevno

    Cevno Member+

    Aug 27, 2005
    Shifting.
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    #93 Cevno, Jun 28, 2014
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    Both of GK's were out on occasions but that much leeway is almost always allowed at this level and it was certainly not that huge.

    Looking back at them now and one of them could have been called off.
     
  19. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Twellman just said Cesar was probably 2 yards off by the time he hit it. I freeze framed it on DVR and Cesar is maybe 6 inches away from heel to line. Definitely acceptable with how things are normally called.
     
  20. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2nd save on Sanchez's pen he is NOT off the line. Not even close.

    When you slo mo all five Cesar is only off, even by one inch, on only one of the kicks. Spot on by the AR.
     
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  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    According to soccernet's box score, Fernandinho commited SIX fouls, but no caution for PI. That's gotta be the biggest flaw in Webb's match.

    Sanchez and Vidal suffered 7 and 6 fouls respectively. I didn't sense that merited an unsporting behavior PI (do I have the terminology correct?) What do you guys think?

    I thought the first PK should have been a retake. Cesar too far off his line for me.
     
  22. footyref1

    footyref1 Member

    Nov 2, 2010
    South Carolina
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watch it in slo mo if you can. I would bet his heels are no more than 1 foot away from the line.
     
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  23. Teso Dos Bichos

    Teso Dos Bichos Red Card

    Sep 2, 2004
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    He took two steps out.
     
  24. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    I don't even think the GKs were close to what anyone on the field would expect to be called back.

    Some movement off has been considered trifling for decades - we actually see less movement now than at some points in the past.
     
  25. Lucky Wilbury

    Lucky Wilbury Member

    Mar 19, 2012
    United States
    The Janitor & crew were flat-out excellent. Having this game 4 years ago helped, but having this game in Brazil adds so many variables. They started out as lenient as possible regarding Misconduct, but reeled everyone in at just the right time. Final foul count was 51, with 28 committed by Brazil (felt like Chile committed more fouls in ET, so the gap was even larger after 90). I was impressed at the number of times he did not give Hulk a FK. For most other referees here, it would be easy to give into the atmosphere, or even the odds, and give him a few calls throughout the game to try to manage things well. Webb didn't need to do that. He doesn't need to keep public opinion on his side to avoid "pulling a Nishimura". He wasn't answering to anyone except Busacca and himself.

    We always like to say that referees are conducting an orchestra - well, the crew just played "Flight of the Bumblebee" and never missed a note. They got every big decision right. Every one of them. Combine that with his management of fouls, especially from 10'-30' to ensure he put his stamp on the game, and you've got an outstanding performance. Sure, Fernandinho could have had a YC, but how does Webb know that this doesn't turn into another double-digit YC game at the time he has to caution him? I'll give him the benefit of the doubt that he knew he could manage that situation on the ground and that he didn't need to punish PI in that specific game. Looking back, all 7 cautions were well-deserved and appropriate.


    Separately, it seems like the announcers (and now some posters above me) need some Flash-Lag training in both Offside decisions and GK-leaving-early decisions. Maybe FIFA could freeze the TV feed and draw the magical line for them. Take a moment, rewind your DVR, and actually look at it instead of gossiping about what you think happened.
     
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