Match 45: GHA : URU - SIEBERT (GER)

Discussion in 'World Cup 2022 - Refereeing' started by balu, Nov 30, 2022.

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What do you think of Siebert's performance?

Poll closed Dec 3, 2022.
  1. 1 (worst)

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  3. 3

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  4. 4

    15.0%
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    10.0%
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  1. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    Match #45
    Ghana : Uruguay
    Friday, 2 December 2022
    18:00 local time (10:00 EST)
    Al Wakrah

    Referee: Daniel SIEBERT (GER)

    AR1: Jan Seidel (GER)
    AR2: Rafael Foltyn (GER)
    Fourth Official: Yoshimi Yamashita (JPN)
    Fifth Official: Vasile Marinescu (ROU)
    VAR: Bastian Dankert (GER)
    AVAR (1): Pol van Boekel (NED)
    Offside AVAR (2): Ciro Carbone (ITA)
    Support AVAR (3): Paolo Valeri (ITA)
    Stand-by Offside AVAR (4): Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
     
  2. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sad to miss this game. Could be quite the challenge.
     
  3. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Indeed. I scoffed at the idea he could even be assigned it. Not rooting for failure, because I really liked Siebert at EURO 2020. But he's been shaky of late and this is not, um, a EURO 2020 match anyway. I don't think this is an overstatement to say this game probably makes or breaks whether or not he's back in 2026.
     
  4. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    I'm just going to get this out of the way. Suarez paid the price for the red 12 years ago but it was not a "technical foul", it was downright cheating. That was not the spirit of football.

    He lost respect from me that day. Forever.
     
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  5. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean, your mileage may vary but I think any player in that position would have done the same thing. I would think the serial biting would be a bigger issue in the respect category.
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's a dirty foul at 1'.
     
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  7. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    1’, huge missed caution, studs to shin contact… I really worry about Siebert here, just looking at the teams I never thought this game was a good assignment for him, and that’s a bad start that will only make it harder.
     
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  8. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    1’ in and it’s already a foul that looked like an intentional rake of studs by Ghana. Nice way to start.
     
  9. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    All the more bizarre given the context of the match and that incident 12 years ago. I understand his desire to not preside over The Battle of Nuremburg II but....

    Edit: Or is that The Battle of Nuremburg III?
     
  10. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Four fouls through 9 minutes. And it doesn't seem that intense yet.
     
  11. Barc@4ever

    Barc@4ever Member

    Barcelona
    Jul 21, 2020
    Not offside , should've been a PK
     
  12. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Uh-oh. Dr. Joe on the case to clear all this up.
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This game is going to be unreffable now. The only thing saving Siebert, maybe, is that this occurs so early. But that can cut the other way, too.
     
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  14. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    Wow, Uruguay losing it.
     
  15. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Oh it just solidified it.

    In all seriousness, I get it. I get why.
     
  16. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    History repeats itself, life imitates art, yada yada yada. :D

    I think this game is going to be an absolute mess. It had a good chance of that even with a truly big gun on this. I don't think Siebert is even close to the right guy for this matchup. I will not be surprised if all hell breaks loose at some point.
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Was Suarez just screaming in Siebert's face after the penalty save?
     
  18. BlueNosedRef

    BlueNosedRef Member

    Sep 5, 2011
    I put the over/under on red cards at 1.5
     
  19. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    5 players have missed PK. Pretty shocking.
     
  20. mythicpunk

    mythicpunk New Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    The first player for Uruguay to touch the ball after that save was clearly in the D when it was taken.
     
  21. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Saw that. It was actually Valverde. That's straight up shocking. Easy caution, I imagine.

    Guess playing for Real Madrid makes you feel tall...
     
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  22. Rufusabc

    Rufusabc Member+

    May 27, 2004
    Now that the penalty was missed, let’s go back.

    Did he not raise his hand for OS, and then put his hands towards his eyes to indicate blocking of the view of the ‘keeper? So, VAR overruled the OS and then got him to go to the monitor for the PK? And, no yellow for the ‘keeper?

    Dr. Joe is watching a different game.

    and, as I am typing this, they show the OS animation.
     
  23. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    No fan of Suárez but his comments on this were actually reasonable. Basically “I did it, I got a red card and they got a penalty kick. That’s what happens. If I hurt someone I should apologize but I did what many players would have done”

    there are a LOT of reasons to lose respect for Suarez but this seems to be one of the less significant ones.
     
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  24. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Arsenal
    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why did they just show the SAOT? Was that on the play preceding the PK?
     
  25. gaolin

    gaolin Member+

    Apr 21, 2019
    Sorry you're just not going to change my mind on that!
     
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