Total BS, is what it was. There is always somebody ready to offer technical gibberish to explain away an egregiously bad, if not corrupt decision. It was an OBVIOUS handball---his arm is away from his body. It should have been an easy call for the referee--and the fact that there was no VAR shows once again how incompetent and useless, if not corrupt, VAR is. It's the same VAR that, in an earlier match, jumped in to declare that a ball had nipped the thumbnail of a player and a game-deciding PK was the result. More soccer refereeing nonsense.
But if he leaves his hand where it was and it gets hit, then it's a penalty, too--more of an obvious one. And it probably would have got hit or grazed in the original position. As much as we joke about defenders playing with no arms or arms always behind their backs, they have to be able to try to avoid being penalized for handball. He is doing the right thing in that situation. It's just a question of whether or not he's doing it too late for it to matter. This is one of those bizarre situations where the two portions of the relevant law come into conflict. You need to take a deliberate action to stop yourself from being unnaturally bigger. So that deliberate action then gets you punished for deliberate handball? Ooof.
It was about Germany and what should have been a penalty. It is crazy how quick the check was - nor did Taylor look at it (as he should have.)
Right on the border? Not in a million years. A total and unequivocal handball. And Germany will now lose because of the no call. Check complete? What check? Total gibbersih.
Also, the alleged corruption here is to make the hosts not get a penalty in extra time? Do people listen to themselves?
So now we are mad that VAR checks are efficient and making up things about how VAR works. Great. Solid analysis. The check is dispensed with quickly because it's a borderline decision and, probably more so than any VARs, English VARs are comfortable deferring to the judgment on the field if it's debatable. Also no, Taylor isn't supposed to go look unless the VAR thinks it's obviously wrong. Which it probably wasn't. This is a debatable handball call. If it had been given live and upheld, you'd be seeing very similar complaints from Spanish partisans. People need to get a grip.
Holy crap Taylor pulling a Kovacs and cautioning two Spanish players after the goal including one who is now suspended next game LOL
120+5 carvajal doesn’t give a crap because he was already suspended next game anyway, this is incredible
If he did leave it where it was in that wide position, the ball likely passes on by untouched between his arm and side. If his arm never was in that unnatural position in the first place, its not getting hit. Yes, it is a bit of a catch-22 and sucks for a defender. If you make yourself unnaturally bigger in the first place, you are taking a risk.
What exactly do you want the defender to do? Its already ridiculous that defenders have to play with their arms behind their back in the box in a true unnatural position. If he keeps the arm out and it hits his arm, everyone will cry for a handball. In this case, he's bringing his arm down prior to the ball being struck to avoid contact and yet people are still calling for a PK. The ball was hit at very short range, the arm was already in motion. Was he supposed to execute a fictional Matrix type move to avoid contact? Unfortunately, the handling/handball rules "jumped the shark" a number of years ago and have changed the game for the worse. At this point you might as well make any contact by hand a foul and we can watch all the players run around with there arms behind their backs.
But if you're sliding across laterally anywhere, you don't usually do it with your wrist flush against your thigh. I mean, the arm is always going to be away from the body to some extent. And then if you want to minimize your silhouette you have to bring it in (or behind your back, if that's what we expect). Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Also it seems that your suggestion is he moved it into the path deliberately? If so, I just don't buy that. The shot was a screamer and from relatively close range. I don't think many could react that well.
I think he was slow bringing the arm in compared to the speed of the ball. Some are going to call it, some aren’t but it is never going to be error.
Yeah....Morata getting suspended for the next match while celebrating (I presume) on the bench has to be considered pretty harsh. Or were Morata and Ruiz carded for some other reason?
I think it's a penalty and the expected and really easier decision is a penalty kick there. No one is complaining if he gives it (not even Spain really). It's fine to also give the benefit of the doubt to the referee and the decision on the field. However, again, I contrast that to the penalty given in the Denmark vs. Germany game. No one in the stadium expecting a penalty kick there and really demanding one there. Yet it's given and the entire referee community is saying "well done ref, spot on." Here most of the referee community is saying "well done ref, spot on." Something has to give.
Taylor lost this game in the first few minutes. By choosing not to caution Kroos in the 4th (and 6th) minute, he caused the physical intensity of the game to rise while also setting a standard for yellow cards that was incompatible with what the game had become. The result was a performance laden with inconsistencies in foul selection and caution selection. The inconsistency caused confusing and frustration from the players, which in turn led to even more misconduct. Taylor did mostly well to correctly identify several cautions in the second half and extra time, but the game would not likely have been this difficult had he not had such a poor first 15 minutes.
While you make some important points here, it dilutes it with the embedded slight personal attack regarding analysis and getting a grip. But whatever - your response speaks with a lot of certainty about a call that you also speak of as probably and debatable. the point about the premier league makes sense. I’m used to watching the Eredivisie in which there seems to be solid usage of VAR who often calls to the referee to look. In fact, the Dutch commentator on this match seemed shocked this didn’t become a penalty through the VAR. I know there has been quite a bit of controversy regarding its usage in the premier league and I’m sure that Taylor and the associated crew are following those protocols which seem to place more trust in the video referee. I wish there was more consistency between the crews but I suppose that’s a bit of a pipe dream. At the end of the day, if there are things like this that are “debatable” or “questionable”, especially in such a big situation as a euro quarterfinal, I wish the referee would at least take a look - especially when you see other crews looking at things much less clear (i.e. the Denmark handball in the round of 16)
I don't see how the Germany-Denmark handball is comparable to this one. The arm is much further out in that case, and not moving in towards the body, and in a completely different sort of position anyways.