Match 45 - ESP : GER - TAYLOR (ENG)

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What do you think of Taylor's performance?

Poll closed Jul 5, 2024.
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  1. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    The British fox announcers ridiculous German pronunciation of every name is something
     
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  2. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Compare that (soft) foul called against Wirtz at 95' to the no-foul above the top of the penalty area in 90'+2'. I get they're in different areas of the field, and there can be some wiggle room in that. But there's just been no consistency at all in this performance from Taylor. Sometimes a hard or late challenge in a YC, sometimes it isn't. Sometimes a nudge in the back is a foul, sometimes it isn't. It's no wonder the players on both teams appear bewildered and frustrated.
     
  3. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    100’ carvajal yellow card. That’s 4 players 3 German 1 Spanish now suspended for semifinal lol
     
  4. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Good yellow on Carvajhal
     
  5. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    For something in a similar area of the field, throw in 103'. No foul called against Spain in the middle third; Germany got called for basically the same thing in the same area at 95'.

    Taylor has been trying to referee the game based on vague "expectations" for each individual incident, rather than taking the lead and setting the expectation himself.
     
  6. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Derek Rae does all the Bundesliga matches for the BBC and is fluent in German. He takes a lot of pride in pronouncing the names correctly.
     
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  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not a fun one for Attwell.
     
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  8. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    English referees and VAR man.
     
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  9. TxSooner

    TxSooner Member

    Aug 12, 2011
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Arm quite away from the body
     
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  10. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    I’m sure they are all perfect pronunciations. Didn’t mean it in an insulting manner. It’s just weird to hear how some of these german words and names are “really” pronounced

    Also hearing Rae vs his color guy pronunciations is funny as well
     
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  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That was something from Clatts....
     
  12. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Surprised the check-complete was so fast. I've been watching too much Copa America. There it would've been a 3-minute long check with no review at the end.
     
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  13. BPBlueSox

    BPBlueSox Member

    Ajax
    Netherlands
    Aug 21, 2003
    Georgia
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Unbelievable. Taylor and his crew again.
     
  14. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Member+

    May 25, 2006
    He was pulling his hand towards the body even though it was still away AND it’s in ET of a Euro knockout. Never being called.
     
  15. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The arm is well away from the body when the shot is taken and then the arm moves into the path of the ball while also bringing the arm into the body. Probably a PK but like I said it isn't a fun spot for Attwell.
     
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  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Just ridiculous. Just a foul. Incredible.
     
  17. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's a debate between whether the arm started out unnaturally bigger versus whether or not he is trying to minimize his body area as he comes across. This would be controversial either way. And probably one of those that is an expected call in some places (Italy, South America) versus an expected no-call in other places (England). I mean, it's just right on the border, right? Six inches in either direction relative to his hip and it's an easy call one way or the other.

    I guess once you don't call it on-field, check complete is right best answer.
     
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  18. mathguy ref

    mathguy ref Member+

    Nov 15, 2016
    TX
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Just a foul. Cucurella got lined up is a very big way.
     
  19. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    I think the title "FOX's [insert tournament name] rules analyst" is a type of brain worm that causes its victims to completely lose any sense of objectivity.
     
  20. HoustonRef

    HoustonRef Member

    May 23, 2009
    110' Certainly not shoulder to shoulder.
     
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  21. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    This is pretty much my opinion. The arm is sort of close to the body when the ball hits it, but it starts so far way from the body that I have doubts about calling this a natural position. It certainly creates a barrier.

    I'm leaning penalty, but it's subjective enough that I like the check-complete too.
     
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  22. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That they got a very borderline tough call that they had to adjudicate?

    Not everything is about the Netherlands.
     
  23. StarTime

    StarTime Member+

    United States
    Oct 18, 2020
    Forceful contact to the head there, I would prefer a yellow card.
     
  24. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

    President of the Antonio Miguel Mateu Lahoz fan cub
    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Holy crap this game is like what I expect Netherlands turkey to be. Up to 13 yellows now
     
  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I presumed Kimmich was on a yellow and that played a role in the decision, but no. Seems like an easy yellow he should have taken there.
     
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