Match 43: SWE : UKR - ORSATO (ITA)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Match #43
    Sweden : Ukraine
    Tuesday, 29 June 2021
    20:00 local time (15:00 EDT)
    Glasgow

    Referee: Daniele Orsato (ITA)
    AR1: Alessandro Giallatini (ITA)
    AR2: Fabiano Preti (ITA)
    Fourth Official: Davide Massa (ITA)

    Video Assistant Referee: Massimiliano Irrati (ITA)
    AVAR 1: Marco Di Bello (ITA)
    AVAR 2: Filippo Meli (ITA)
    AVAR 3: Paolo Valeri (ITA)
     
  2. rh89

    rh89 Member

    Sep 29, 2015
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    Interesting potential penalty shout in 41'. Attacker runs into defender who impedes the ball.

    I don't want this to be a penalty. But I think elsewhere on the field, this is called a foul...
     
  3. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No stoppage. Is that allowed?

    No reason for any from my perspective.

    There's a bad joke in here somewhere about an Italian ref ending the half promptly....
     
  4. SccrDon

    SccrDon Member+

    Dec 4, 2001
    Colorado Springs
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As a SWE fan (my daughter lives in Stockholm), I'm ok with this. I don't want to encourage attackers to just kick the ball past defenders and then run into them.
     
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  5. socal lurker

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    May 30, 2009
    Is it even an actual foul though? The attacker doesn't have a greater right to the space than the defender. The defender didn't move into the path of the attacker. Seemed to me the attacker knew he had no good options and plowed the defender in the hopes of a call. Good call for me.
     
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  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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    To the last point... #22 Ukraine deliberately stops his movement and reaches his right leg backward. I can understand arguments for "no penalty," but I think it's more than a stretch to say the Swede just ran into him. If not for a concious decision the Ukranian made, the attacker would have been running into space.

    As to the first point, unless we are seeing a separate set of facts, why do you not want it to be a penalty? We punish defenders when they lazily dangle a leg to obstruct or take away space. Here, the dangled leg comes with the entire body.

    I don't know, it actually seems like a pretty clear penalty to me. The lack of VAR intervention and the ability for people to reason that it shouldn't be a penalty feels like it only stems from it being mostly an upper body foul as opposed to mostly a leg foul. If nothing else changes and those facts are inverted, it's one of the clearest penalties you'd ever see.
     
  7. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
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    United States
    Hmm. Maybe I'm going to be in the minority here. But I just don't see that. At minimum, the leg action is clear. But I'd also strongly argue that the defender deliberately halts his movement to take away the path of the attacker.
     
  8. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Hmm. I haven't gone back to re-look at it, but my recollection was that he had simply squared up naturally to defend and the attacker pushed the ball away and plowed him.
     
  9. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
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    SSC Napoli
    Yellow to Forsberg was unwarranted.
     
  10. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Because??
     
  11. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Now this is 100% red.
     
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  12. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    In total trivial matters, Orsato is the first ref I've noticed not using a Valkeen. . . . and is anyone else geeky enough to auto-correct in their head every time the TV says "penalty kicks" if tied after extra time? . . .
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
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  14. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Pretty easy there. I like that he just took the one look instead of dithering at the screen. (Though I do wish he got that live.)
     
  15. AlextheRef

    AlextheRef Member

    Jun 29, 2009
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yep. All the Clattenburg considerations are met. Brutal? Yes. Excessive? Yes. Force? Yes. Endangers safety? Yes.
     
  16. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    I think that's a 10.5/10 on UEFA's scale.
     
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  17. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
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    He did not swing his arm back in a reckless fashion. Can't expect a player to run with hands tied behind his back.
     
  18. Sport Billy

    Sport Billy Moderator
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    May 25, 2006
    Ridiculous Plays ball. Player runs into foot.

    There was no “challenge”.
    It was a fair and correct manner.
    The opponent endangered himself by arriving late
     
  19. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

    No seriously.
     
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  20. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    Is it unanimous? Nobody making the "Ukranian runs into raised Swedish leg" defense?

    Hope he's OK. Good thing Ukraine still has subs.
     
  21. voiceoflg

    voiceoflg Member+

    Dec 8, 2005
    I don't own cards red enough for that one.
     
  22. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
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    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well...
     
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  23. socal lurker

    socal lurker Member+

    May 30, 2009
    Alas, there is . . . :confused:
     
  24. AlextheRef

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    Jun 29, 2009
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  25. tripwire

    tripwire Member+

    Sep 23, 2012
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    Ukraine player was already committed to the play. No way he could avoid that. Red was justified as no player should be allowed to go into a ball like that.
     
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