Match #41 Croatia : Belgium Thursday, 1 December 2022 18:00 local time (10:00 EST) Al Rayyan Referee: Anthony TAYLOR (ENG) AR1: Gary Beswick (ENG) AR2: Adam Nunn (ENG) Fourth Official: Istvan Kovacs (ROU) Fifth Official: Mihai Artene (ROU) VAR: Marco Fritz (GER) AVAR (1): Tomasz Kwiatkowski (POL) Offside AVAR (2): Rafael Foltyn (GER) Support AVAR (3): Benoit Millot (FRA) Stand-by Offside AVAR (4): Jan Seidel (GER)
Ooof pen. 14’ i think it’s an easy penalty decision. Interesting if he is going to the monitor for Offside or for the challenge. landon Donovan just said it . @code1390 spot on mate. Dr. Joe… confused aF like he has never been on camera
I thought it was going to be challenging an opponent for the guy on was a yard off after the defender headed it. If the other attacker who physically challenged the defender was offside, then it's easy. Although the SOAT replay is incredible. Closest decision of the tournament.
Donovan (who sounds like Twellman) "I don't understand why players want to argue after the ref goes to the monitor". (C'mon Landon, if you were out there you'd be arguing). Once they show the SAOT and it is close, Donovan: "C'mon let it go" (argues with tech from the booth)
With my added MS Paint skills. I guess 1px of the Croatian shoulder is offside. I can't tell where the system decided the arm line for the Croatian.
Not certain that SOAT helped doesn’t that show that the Belgium player’s arm band is beyond the Croatian?
The more I look at it, I don't understand how it's offside. All that is past the vertical line is the grey arm of the model.
I looked at this for a minute or two and I think it is showing that the end of the Croatian player's shoulder is ahead of the end of the Belgian player's shoulder because the Croatian player is leaning forwards.
I don’t mind VAR, but this is overkill. How does the software judge where the shoulder ends and the arm begins? At some point the call is so close that it’s within the margin of error, and the call on the field should stand. I think that this is one of those cases.
Silly question but I'll throw it out there to see where we land on an answer... The three touches on the ball before the penalty were ALL from Belgium. All were clear. And they were from three different players. At what point does something like that reset the APP? APP is more art than science, I understand, and this maybe feels like it has to be the APP. But how many chances does the defense get to possess and clear before it's just, you know, not the same APP anymore? EDIT to put this bluntly... Belgium had three chances to clear their lines and instead kicked their opponent in the penalty area, but they fade a penalty because of a millimeter offside decision? I don't have a good answer here, but the current setup definitely is missing the forest for the trees in situations like this.
Clear and obvious only applies to subjective decisions. It's not needed when the call is completely objective. A millimeter offside is offside.
We've had this overall fight too regularly for me to jump in with any passion, but I would point out that the playable part of the arm is almost an inherently subjective data point. The graphic in the Laws shows the sleeve, but if anyone is claiming that's somehow objective or scientific, I'd love to hear that explanation.