Match 4: USA : PAR - MAKKELIE (NED)

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  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well I certainly missed that if that is what was meant. The restart already happening is certainly a potential issue going forward.
     
  2. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well maybe chancing mistaken identity for the other team, per the new law, requires an OFR.
     
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  3. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not to go Philosophy Major on you, but all the Laws of the Game are invented. If they really made this change, then they made this change. They change the rules all the time.

    But when a forum full of referees and former referees don't know what the hell's happening, I'd say they fumbled the application.
     
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  4. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    From the 26/27 Laws VAR section:

    "If the referee penalises an offence but has clearly misidentified the player who committed that offence, only the identity of the offender can be reviewed."

    And in the law change section:

    "Reviewable decisions/incidents now include two infrequent but potentially match-changing errors:...Mistaken identity when the referee shows a yellow or red card but has clearly penalised the wrong player of either team for the offence in question; the offence itself cannot be reviewed except in the context of mistaken identity."

    I don't interpret that as allowing this sort of reversal.
     
  5. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Did the definition of mistaken identity change or did I miss something?

    Mistaken identity is giving a card to the wrong player, not giving an incorrect card.

    It's not like someone else "fouled" Almiron. It was Ream.
     
  6. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem here is there are two different offences. Makkelie didn’t punish the wrong guy for the offence he called. He called one offence, was wrong, and the VAR told him to call a different offence. That’s not what is written above.
     
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  7. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    And also the ball was legally restarted by Paraguay so if they scored it would have to count right?
     
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  8. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wish we got to see!
     
  9. KCbus

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    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on this and nothing but this, I agree.
     
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  10. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    Exactly!
     
  11. soccerref69420

    soccerref69420 Member+

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    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Of course it’s what it means. They deliberately removed it and are leaving it crossed out. Clearly they want the option to award a yellow card for mistaken identity of a yellow card to the opposite team, which would be for both simulation but also I guess giving a completely wrong yellow card in a challenge (ex. Giving white player YC for hands to the face when it was actually dark)

    And here it is in the law changes summary as well. Written clear as day in the IFAB app

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  12. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well Im assuming they're following correct instructions...I just dont see how the law as written supports it.
     
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  13. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Paraguay is kicking the crap out of Balogun and Tillman.
     
  14. KCbus

    KCbus Moderator
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    United States
    Nov 26, 2000
    Reynoldsburg, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ooh! I think we may have the winner.
     
  15. SouthRef

    SouthRef Member+

    Jun 10, 2006
    USA
    Club:
    Rangers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    ArbitroInternacional posted the the Spanish edition of the VAR protocol which says (translated):

    a red or yellow card shown to the wrong player when it was another player—from either team—who committed the infringement

    I know the English language version is authoritative but this seems to be more supportive than the English phrasing

     
  16. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd
    It's kind of irrelevant that we are complaining about this because in a years time all yellow cards will be reviewable just like all goal kicks will be reviewable so who really cares.
     
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  17. MassachusettsRef

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    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    BBC reporting Collina requested this change and for this reason. If that’s true and Makkelie and team applied this correctly in a lopsided 3-0 game, that’s going to be a boon for them. Could be a long long long way from “they just made something completely up.”

    Sometimes it’s fun to learn in real time.
     
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  18. mudhen

    mudhen Member

    Apr 11, 2012
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    That stuff makes my brain hurt. And is the " hydration break" a forever thing, or just for this Cup?
     
  19. Twotone Jones

    Twotone Jones Member

    United States
    Apr 12, 2023
    Noticed that watching the women's USA v. Brazil match. The ref crew got alot of tv time in that game.
     
  20. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    I suspect it will be like the 5 subs during Covid and manage to stick around at least during major tournaments.
     
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  21. Eastshire

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    Apr 13, 2012
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    Arsenal FC
    Because some games will need it, all games will have it to prevent a competitive advantage. That’s apparently the company line.
     
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  22. soccerref69420

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    Mar 14, 2020
    Nat'l Team:
    Korea DPR
    Here’s another wrinkle in this though: so you can only review a non-penalty-area simulation offense if you awarded a yellow card for it being a reckless or SPA challenge, right?
     
  23. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
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    Nov 25, 2007
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    United States
    Wanna buy a bridge in Brooklyn?
     
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  24. Pelican86

    Pelican86 Member

    United States
    Jun 13, 2019
    It says "the offence," not "an offence." The offense (sorry, I'm switching to the American spelling) that was originally called was a foul by Ream. Simulation is not the same offense.

    The obvious reading here is the situation you mention about; the old law only allowed mistaken identity among players of the same team (i.e. you carded #11 blue but it was actually #17 blue).

    But with all the different officials involved, I would assume someone would've said "Hey, we can't do this." And they didn't. So I assume they're doing as instructed.
     
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  25. Barciur

    Barciur Member+

    Apr 25, 2010
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Poland
    I have been told by a current MLS VMO that this is a new addition to the VAR for the world cup and it is a correct application. Make of that what you will.
     
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