Friday, 22 June - Gdansk - 2:45 EST Germany v Greece Referee: Damir SKOMINA (SVN) Assistant Referee 1: Primož Arhar (SVN) Assistant Referee 2: Matej Žunič (SVN) Additional Assistant Referee 1: Slavko Vinčić (SVN) Additional Assistant Referee 2: Matej Jug (SVN) Fourth Official: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA) Reserve Assistant Referee: Frédéric Cano (FRA) UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmöelzer (AUT) UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED) This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
Two areas of possible contention: Caution at 1:40, though I think it's probably good on the dissent angle Offside on the goal at 2:00 - though the camera angle is poor, there may be an offside there. Thoughts?
First time I watched this I was upset that it was offside and it wasn't called. Speaking of Offside...GOOD CALL
Yeah. Should have been a yellow, I think. And a mistaken offside call just a minute earlier. Not the most auspicious of starts. But the offside on the goal was right, it appears.
Good wait and see offside decision by the AR - double good because it likely was tough to see who actually kicked it in
I don't think so - Germany is providing themselves so many chances - and now - Goal for Germany. Greece will counter as best they can, I just don't think it will be enough. Good for Skomina - nothing big that I've seen - did he do well in the first half?
4-1 now, I"m guessing 6-1 for a final, with 2 more cautions for Greece. Edit: there's the first on Ozil.
See there...Penalty! Hmmm I don't like that penalty much, I agree it probably is because the players hand is out but usually when they're not facing the ball...meh. I guess he was just facing the ball and spun and put his arm out a bit to make himself bigger.
Ok, so not so accurate - I can live with that. Thoughts on Skomina? Is he in the running for the Final?
Help me understand the reasoning behind not wanting it to be a penalty. To me it absolutely has to be because it prevented the play from developing for the sole reason that the hand/arm got in the way when it didn't necessarily have to. What's the argument for it not being a PK?
Not facing the ball...distance to the player...arm at his side (it was a little out so I understand the call I just wish the threshold was universally higher)
Deliberate or intentional? He certainly turned around deliberately and his arm was in that position thanks to a deliberate action. I doubt he intended to block the ball with his hand but then intent is irrelevant. I asked about wanting or not wanting that kind of play to be a penalty though so I suppose if you want intent to be a factor that would be an answer, whether the call was right or wrong under the rules. In my case I prefer to think of the objective of refereeing as almost entirely divorced from player intent and only interested in remedying actions that go against the spirit of play - e.g. if a ball hitting an arm prevents the ball from continuing on its path, that's bad, but if it's incidental contact, just like with a foul, it's not bad, it just is. Anyways, I think it was a clear PK and an example of where it SHOULD always be a PK.