Match 26 - GER : GRE - SKOMINA (SVN)

Discussion in 'Euro 2012: Refereeing' started by code1390, Jun 20, 2012.

  1. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Friday, 22 June - Gdansk - 2:45 EST
    Germany v Greece
    Referee: Damir SKOMINA (SVN)
    Assistant Referee 1: Primož Arhar (SVN)
    Assistant Referee 2: Matej Žunič (SVN)
    Additional Assistant Referee 1: Slavko Vinčić (SVN)
    Additional Assistant Referee 2: Matej Jug (SVN)
    Fourth Official: Stéphane Lannoy (FRA)
    Reserve Assistant Referee: Frédéric Cano (FRA)
    UEFA Delegate: Christian Schmöelzer (AUT)
    UEFA Referee Observer: Jaap Uilenberg (NED)

    This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
     
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  2. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Two areas of possible contention:
    Caution at 1:40, though I think it's probably good on the dissent angle
    Offside on the goal at 2:00 - though the camera angle is poor, there may be an offside there.
    Thoughts?
     
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  3. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
    Tampa
  4. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    I would say orange only because of bent knee. Otherwise it really looked red.
     
  5. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    First time I watched this I was upset that it was offside and it wasn't called.

    Speaking of Offside...GOOD CALL
     
  6. ColoradoRef

    ColoradoRef Member

    Jul 10, 2011
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah. Should have been a yellow, I think. And a mistaken offside call just a minute earlier. Not the most auspicious of starts.

    But the offside on the goal was right, it appears.
     
  7. oldreferee

    oldreferee Member

    May 16, 2011
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    I think that's one to build the ARs resume!
     
  8. DudsBro

    DudsBro Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Good wait and see offside decision by the AR - double good because it likely was tough to see who actually kicked it in
     
  9. code1390

    code1390 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Nov 25, 2007
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kassai - "I WANT THAT GUY!"
     
  10. socref79

    socref79 Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    Good PI recognition, although it took him a second
     
  11. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Reus is wasting a lot of chances, but I am impressed with his performance.
     
  12. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Good advantage call by the AR right after that corner.
     
  13. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just got back to a computer where I can watch - how did Skomina do?
     
  14. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Could Greece win!?
     
  15. Alberto

    Alberto Member+

    Feb 28, 2000
    Northern, New Jersey
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Unlikely they can. That tying goal went against the run of play.
     
  16. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't think so - Germany is providing themselves so many chances -

    and now - Goal for Germany.

    Greece will counter as best they can, I just don't think it will be enough.

    Good for Skomina - nothing big that I've seen - did he do well in the first half?
     
  17. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    4-1 now, I"m guessing 6-1 for a final, with 2 more cautions for Greece.

    Edit: there's the first on Ozil.
     
  18. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Pfft 4-1 Greece is nearly there...just 4 goals to go!
     
  19. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    See there...Penalty!

    Hmmm I don't like that penalty much, I agree it probably is because the players hand is out but usually when they're not facing the ball...meh. I guess he was just facing the ball and spun and put his arm out a bit to make himself bigger.
     
  20. MrPerfectNot

    MrPerfectNot Member+

    Jul 9, 2011
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, so not so accurate - I can live with that.

    Thoughts on Skomina? Is he in the running for the Final?
     
  21. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
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    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Help me understand the reasoning behind not wanting it to be a penalty. To me it absolutely has to be because it prevented the play from developing for the sole reason that the hand/arm got in the way when it didn't necessarily have to. What's the argument for it not being a PK?
     
  22. Iforgotwhat8wasfor

    Jun 28, 2007
    That it didn't appear to be "deliberate"?

    Just a wild-assed guess...
     
  23. Thezzaruz

    Thezzaruz Member+

    Jun 20, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Sweden
    Got to say that to me it looked very deliberate that the arm ended up where it did.
     
  24. SimpleGame6

    SimpleGame6 Member

    Apr 16, 2012
    Club:
    Aberdeen FC
    Not facing the ball...distance to the player...arm at his side (it was a little out so I understand the call I just wish the threshold was universally higher)
     
  25. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Deliberate or intentional? He certainly turned around deliberately and his arm was in that position thanks to a deliberate action. I doubt he intended to block the ball with his hand but then intent is irrelevant.

    I asked about wanting or not wanting that kind of play to be a penalty though so I suppose if you want intent to be a factor that would be an answer, whether the call was right or wrong under the rules. In my case I prefer to think of the objective of refereeing as almost entirely divorced from player intent and only interested in remedying actions that go against the spirit of play - e.g. if a ball hitting an arm prevents the ball from continuing on its path, that's bad, but if it's incidental contact, just like with a foul, it's not bad, it just is.

    Anyways, I think it was a clear PK and an example of where it SHOULD always be a PK.
     

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