Match 24 | Australia vs Ghana | 19.06.10 | Pre/During/Post Match Discussion [R]

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

The only way Australia is going to score on Serbia's defense is if there is another handball in the box.

It's pretty funny reading all the forums most people are giving the Aussie's the advantage over the Serbs.

Ghana is pretty much out, what are the chances of Germany losing 2 group stage games ina row? I give Australia a better chance of advancing than Ghana.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

I realise this, as I said according to FIFA's rules the call was correct.I just think the rules should be changed - or at least reworded - as it is very harsh on a team in Australia's situation to have Penalty (which is fair enough) AND a player sent of for what was, in essence, an unavoidable accident.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

The Aussies have to make up 3 points and 5 goals to Ghana ... so do you really think that's very realistic (even though not impossible)? They rather need hoping for a German defeat.

Impressive fight from the Socceroos with 10 against 11 for more than 1 hour (kudos) ... pity they couldn't take that huge scoring opportunity towards the end of the game.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Well, he could've just let the ball go in... Also remember NOT ALL the hand balls inside the box end up in a red card, in that situation it'll always be the case, think that it's like the last resort of many for a player to avoid a goal.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Funny post Ghana only has to draw. Besides Ghana can even lose and still progress

Ghana is leading the group BTW. And you are saying they are 'pretty much out'?

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

It's a truly notable effort to be deeply wrong on every point and I congratulate you.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

I agree. That's a stupid rule and the ball wasn't even close to his hand. Kewell looked like he was trying to get OUT of the way. Hitting the upper arm/shoulder is far enough away from the hand that there wasn't even any reason for a penalty!

IF he gave the penalty then that was enough and there should've been NO red card!!

 

Re: 23 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana

You mean Australia vs. SERBIA.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

I figuret out Australia's strategy. Australian officials and players are of the opinion that with increasing fitness and coaching, football games are getting clogged up with little room for exciting play. They realise that the solution to to reduce the number of players per team to 10, thereby opening up more space for attacking football. Knowing that FIFA will never follow such an idea without a trial, Australia has selflessly decided to demonstrate the openess of 10 man football to the world

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Don't know much about the rules of football, I see. I can understand it. Honestly. The name 'handball' can be missleading. A more appropriate name would be 'armball'. Stopping anything with the upper arm is always a handball.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre Match and During Match

Not necessarily.

Regards,

Torsten Frings

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Ghana doesn't need to win, that's the point

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

I already admitted I didn't know the exact FIFA rule. But it was NOT a HANDball so you're right that they should change the name to ARMball.

Either way it's not like he intentionally ran in front of the ball! LOL! It simply grazed off his upper arm and he acutally looked like he was sort of trying to get out of the way.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Doesn't matter, he blocked a shot that was going in the net, which is always a red card.
It hit his entire arm. Watch his forearm in the slowmotion.

I think a lot of the Australians complaining don't understand the rules fully.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

The interpretation of "deliberate" is very wide. Most handballs are not caused by someone deliberatly hitting the ball. Usually just having your hand above waist height is enough to be called deliberate, especially if it blocks a clear goal or pass.

So I think you need to learn how deliberate is interpreted in the real world.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

I'm not a referee, but that's what I thought. So if it's not intentional it's neither a PK nor a red, and if it's intentional it's both. This is by no means a clear red card then. For me it didn't look intentional, but I can't really read Kewell's mind either.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

The circumstantial evidence points at non-intentional.

(ball to arm, not arm to ball/fast shot without time to react/arm close to body not up in the air)

Therefore the penalty was extremely harsh and IMHO unjustified.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

How do you distinguish between intentional and deliberate?

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

You'll find most handballs given are not what you would call "deliberate".
Where the player meant to touch the ball on purpose.

If your hand is high you will be given a handball regardless if you meant it.
If you move your arm towards the ball it will be called deliberate.

The mere position or movement of your arm can be deemed deliberate.

 

Re: 19 June 2010 Australia vs Ghana Pre/During/Post Match Discussion

Deliberate:
consider: think about carefully; weigh; "They considered the possibility of a strike"; "Turn the proposal over in your mind"
Intentional:
characterized by conscious design or purpose; "intentional damage"; "a knowing attempt to defraud"; "a willful waste of time"