Match #24 - Argentina v. Mexico

Discussion in 'Group C - Argentina, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Poland' started by soccernutter, Nov 2, 2022.

  1. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well... that's one theory (as legit as any other speculation out there). Another is that the team doesn't want him back 'cause he snitched on one of their extracurricular gatherings o_O

    Tata's gone after Mexico bows out here... and they'll need to blood a new generation for '26.
     
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  2. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    Everyone still has advancing in their own hand. Mexico needs big win vs Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia needs to win, etc.
     
  3. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Could be a little bit of both. Still, they could've used him.
    Yup. And to be honest, they should start this January. At the very least, Ochoa (who's retiring), Talavera, Cota, Moreno, Araujo, Guardado (retiring), Herrera, Martín and Funes Mori should never be called up again.
     
  4. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    I still lol that Funes Mori randomly turned Mexican. Neither twin ended up being particularly great at all
     
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  5. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Honestly he should've gotten minutes, at least against Poland (Martin was terrible)
     
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  6. Doogs

    Doogs Member+

    Dec 11, 2010
    Miami
    Club:
    Millonarios Bogota
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia
    you know im not sure I understood Mexico's lineup. The starting lineup had Vega and Lozano as the only forwards? So 2 wingers? later on he subbed on some 9's
     
  7. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    Yeah. It's clear he wanted to bunker behind and hold on while using Vega and Lozano's speed to counter. Truth be told, it was not a bad strategy, but the subs were late and more than questionable (leaving Edson Álvarez on the bench? Roberto Alvarado?).
     
  8. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Argentina isn't creative like before. The NT era of Messi ended in the Final match against Germany in 2014. Everything after, struggle of Messi and everything depends a lot on his good day. Focus on Messi created lack of focus in other positions: LB, RM, LM, RM where they all duplicate and make center shots. Will Messi place Dybala in attack finally? It's evident that he selects players in NT for years.:cool:
     
  9. WorldCupfanUSA

    None
    United States
    Jun 23, 2018
    Why can't Mexico score a single goal?? :laugh:
     
  10. WorldCupfanUSA

    None
    United States
    Jun 23, 2018
    Why can't Mexico score a single goal?? They seem pretty impotent on offense.
     
  11. WorldCupfanUSA

    None
    United States
    Jun 23, 2018
    I was waiting for him to do something. I don't watch club soccer so I was wondering what's so great about him. That was a very nice goal.

    But he's not the type of player who can weave through the opposition like the Brazilian Ronaldo & Pele did but I guess those kind of players are very rare. Who is the closest to that kind of player in this World Cup?
     
  12. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    i'm sorry sir but i do not currently see any player there worthy of being on the same level as Ronaldo.

    I am not old enough to have really watched Pele play.. but R9 (right after the era of Diego Armando Maradona) were the 2 players that always had me in awe watching them play. I don't have that with any of this generation to that level.
     
  13. WorldCupfanUSA

    None
    United States
    Jun 23, 2018
    What is R9?

    You think Pele and Maradona had the best ball handling skills? What about Brazilian Ronaldo?
     
  14. Jon Stakes

    Jon Stakes Member+

    Egypt
    Nov 18, 2022
    R9 is Brazilian Ronaldo
     
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  15. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Maybe now at his old age he can't do it as much, but the bold tells me you know nothing about Messi.
     
  16. WorldCupfanUSA

    None
    United States
    Jun 23, 2018
    I admit I'm no expert but Messi can't ball handle like Brazilian Ronaldo did or even France's Zidane.

    Of course that doesn't mean he's bad or anything.
     
  17. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Ronaldo and Maradona for me. Both magical. Might give a slight edge to Maradona cause he always did more with less supporting cast.
     
  18. Paul Calixte

    Paul Calixte Moderator
    Staff Member

    Orlando City SC
    Apr 30, 2009
    Miami, FL
    Club:
    Orlando City SC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This has been a problem since the start of WCQ (barely scraping a win at home against Jamaica), but nearly 15 months later and Tata's no closer to an answer than when he started.
     
  19. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
     
  20. Philip J. Fry

    Philip J. Fry Member+

    Mexico
    Jun 12, 2013
    Club:
    Borussia Dortmund
    And he also left out his most in form striker.
     
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  21. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    What do you think of Paolo Rossi?
     
  22. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    great player... won us a world cup. But not on the same level as those other two.
     
  23. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    Yeah but I think it’s close.
     
  24. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You can argue that he had one of the best single world cup peformances.. but length of career / skills i can't myself.
     
  25. Mean Machine

    Mean Machine Member+

    May 23, 2018
    Wasn’t he suspended for 2 years though?
     

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