Monday, 18 June - Poznan - 2:45 EST Italy : Republic of Ireland Referee: Cüneyt CAKIR (TUR) Assistant Referee 1: Bahattin Duran (TUR) Assistant Referee 2: Tarik Ongun (TUR) Additional Assistant Referee 1: Hüseyin Göçek (TUR) Additional Assistant Referee 2: Bülent Yıldırım (TUR) Fourth Official: Viktor Shvetsov (UKR) Reserve Assistant Referee: Oleksandr Voytyuk (UKR) UEFA Delegate: Adonis Procopiou (CYP) UEFA Referee Observer: Jozef Marko (SVK) This thread is for all pre-, play-by-play, and post-match discussion of the referee and other officials on the match. Only news and analysis or other facts/information related to the referees and the officiating should be posted here. This is not a team or rivalry thread and will be heavily moderated to ensure it remains that way. Please read the stickied thread at the top of this forum if you have further questions. Thank you.
Penalty shout for handling 30 minutes in. Would have been against the Irish and probably needed a red, too. Replays showed it hit the shoulder. By the letter of our instructions, there'd be some validity to the call... but I think common sense says you can't award a penalty for that. Too much doubt for a ball shot from that close. I like the no-call.
AAR calls a goal. Gets it right on a bang-bang play. Don't think the AR could have had that given the distance and speed in which it left. Platini must be smiling.
I liked how right after the goal he looked like he was gonna say something and his teammate grabbed him and covered his mouth...awesome.
Since it was from a corner kick, the AR could have definitely seen that the ball went over the line. There was quite a good bit of grass showing between the ball and the back edge of the line. I don't think it was these situations that the AARs are for. It is more for the long shots where otherwise no-one is on the goal line. PH
Is there some way you know the AAR made this decision? Or is is somply that it makes sense that he would???
Could, yes. But maybe not. Great deal of distance and the post and player are in between him, plus an onrushing Italian. My only point was that an AAR, 25 yards closer, does give a higher degree of certainty. One of the reasons the AARs are there is because ARs have missed this very call before, even though it is possible to get.
Who else would? It's the reason he's there. Can't imagine a scenario where the AR says it's over but the AAR says no! So to answer your question... It's the only logical possibility to me.
I don't disagree that the AAR is nearer and provides a decision that can be sold more easily, but I still think the AR can and should be able to make this call. The post is always there, and often a player also, but the ball is beyond both. The distance to the corner flag is about 34 yards, not all that "great" I don't recall any big matches where this call, with the AR already on the goal line as from a corner, has been missed. All of the other major controversial incidents have been with the AR way up the touchline and impossible to get to the goal line with the ball. Examples are WC 1966 (England W,Germany Final) possible false positive, WC 1986 (Spain-Brazil) probable true negative, and of course England Germany WC2010 definite false negative. The latter case was probably the trigger for the AARs in UEFA competitions. PH
Don't really disagree with you, PH. Only one small point: the AARs were used in the Europa League in the 09-10 season. So they did predate WC10. They then got added to the UCL in 10-11.
Remember that with the new AAR position that he is actually blocking the ARs view of the goal line, so this was surely called by the AAR. As for the AAR, wasn't it the Henry hand ball incident that got them put in? The England no-goal in the WC just made sure the experiment continued. And I'm still not impressed by the AAR's, who seem very hesitant to make any decisions.
What is unclear is what decisions they are making or not making. I am not sure how you can say they seem hesitant when we don't know what they are or are not communicating to the Center. With A/Rs, we have a set of signals and behaviors we are accustomed to seeing that help us interpret calls - with AARs, we don't have that.
YES. If the AAR called the goal, why didn't he DO something, dammit! And, just to be contrary, what if the headsets failed? Is he supposed to run over and grab the AR's flag?
Really? Honestly, I would like to hear more if someone has info. (and, iirc, wouldn't they be on the wrong side of the goal now to witness Mr. Henry's close control? )
AARs were already in use in Europa League when Henry's handball occurred (Henry handball is Nov 09... AARs started Aug or Sep 09). They were on the referee's diagonal for that season and for the 10-11 UCL season. They switched sides in August of 2011. People speculated that the AARs would have caught Henry's handball. And it probably helped expand/justify their use. But they already existed. And, yes, the irony is that, in their current position they would have missed the Henry handling.