Serbian. Honestly was all for Croatia and real angry at the 2 PK non-calls, so I agree I may be biased. So would be graterful for a level-headed analysis of the Ramos play.
In my opinion it is really hard to judge, even when watching several slow motions. So I can't really blame the referee, who hadn't any slow motion at his disposal. The second one seems much clearer. But I see it very often that these actions aren't rewarded with a penalty.
found it! yep. no doubt - clear PK. as much as i agree that shirt pulling is rarely punished that was a pretty hardcore judo throw by busqutes.
Honest question: what is the AAR supposed to watch during a corner kick? Seemed like he was looking right at it, but sure didn't see it. Yep, with the benefit of replay that's a nice hip toss.
Question: what may the AAR give as input to the CR? Anybody know what Castillas was complaining about to the AAR? I thought he might be arguing he was impeded?
You may not comprehend the resetting of offside position after the ball is played, but I agree this was a clear penalty that was missed. Lot's of shirt and an attempt at a judo toss.
Yup. As much as we tend to let go during a corner kick, this was reasonably beyond the pale, and the crew missed it. Disappointing, given that at least three sets of eyes are closely focusing on the jostling in the penalty are.
Stark missed two clear PK's and Iniesta handled on the only goal.m other then that, he had a good game.
Okay....they raised there hands not for the OS but for,the handling. He caught the ball with his left arm at the shoulder. Watch the replay from the side. He handled. The two PK's were clear as day. Enough with not calling it on the corners. Enough. That was a tackle, and iF not for the tackle the Croats go thru. And the first half challenge was close to a red.
I believe the teams scouting report on Stark is that he never calls this stuff. I remember a CL game where Morinho got his team to tackle on every corner and Stark never did a thing.
You, sir, need to stop talking now. You clearly have never been trained in Law 11. The guys you are arguing with have, I assure you.
As much as I want to agree there was no handling. The ball was caught at the shoulder, but not on the arm (if anything by the smallest of margins). Typical way of controlling the ball. If that was a handball than so is almost every other control of upper balls... That said Iniesta was probably a smidge offside on the initial ball, but too close to call even with replays. All in all Stark controlled the game well, but made two big non-calls which ultimately mean he had a poor game. It did just occur to me that Spain didn't get a single yellow card and they sure as hell deserved a couple, while Croatia got 6.
Wonder if there is this mentality when refereeing Barca/Spain of "teams are going to play anti-football so I need to be extra careful of tactical fouls and PI" while no realizing that Spain/Barca are doing the exact same thing you are cautioning the other team for.
I think a slightly more general observation can even be made: When a big team plays a supposedly weaker team it seems to me that refs unknowingly tend to have a mindset that the 'weaker side' is more probable of using tactical fouls and PI, while the 'dominant one' doesn't need to, hence they get the benefit of the doubt, when the ref is uncertain. That could explain why the big teams in football seem to have the majority of big calls go their way and the underdogs rarely do (albeit some sort of comprehensive analysis would be needed to even assert if that truely is the case).
I can see the assessor in the locker room now, talking to Stark: "well, other than that, how'd you like the play Mrs. Lincoln?"
Yeah, I remember that game. It was the Inter vs. Chelsea match at Stamford Bridge when Mourinho won the Champions League with Inter. Walter Samuel, Lucio, and Motta did in the penalty area was absurd. As you said, they literally were wrestling Drogba and Co. into the ground. It was a farce. There was one play where Samuel bear hugged Drogba onto the floor and the foul was going out. Stark doesn't call penalties for holding on set plays. In regards to the Corluka and Busquets play, I personally think it's a fair fight. He was consistent about it and that's all you can ask. He didn't waste everyone's time by holding up play and giving useless warnings like Webb or sissy cards before the kick is taken to show everyone that he is pretending to do something about it when he really isn't. He set a bar and players seemed to be fine with it. To be fair to Stark in regards to the disproportionate card count. I think three or four of Croatia's cards were for dissent and at the end of the match. Also Jelavic got a yellow for baisically batting the ball down. While Spain/Barca do commit PI and tactical fouls they have so much of the ball that it's really hard to punish them. Why is there even debate about the Navas goal? It's a great call and easy interpretation. There was no handling by Iniesta. Just look at the keeper. First he appelead for offside, then he appealed for handling. He knew the game was up.
There is actually quite simple explanation why the "bigger" teams get the benefit of the doubt. They simply have more of the ball and dominate games more and creat more incidents in the opponent's penalty area. It's simple percentages. One team crosses the ball 30 times in the box and has 15 corners and the other crosses it 5 times and has 5 corners. Who will more likely get a penalty kick? Team that put the ball in the area more. More opportunities for a foul to occur.
Two counter-examples: Barcelona vs Milan. Two penalty kicks for Barcelona, for roughly the same offence. Is Milan a small team? Denmark vs Netherlands in this tournament. Netherlands is on paper the bigger team, and yet they did not receive the PK in their favor. An 'evil' ref could easily given that one.
Good no call. I am not kidding or being argumentative, either. The Croat leverages himself up to 7.5 feet by using the Spanish shoulder. The Spaniard, hard done by, gives gravity a little help and the Croat crashes to the ground. Alls fair in love and football. You really expect a foul against the defense here? That would be extremely inequitable. The attacker gets to use the defender as a ladder... that's OK? The ball flys by harmlessly, no call, GK. Lets play.
Sorry, but I could not disagree more. The Spanish defender has a lock on the Croatian player's arm before the attacker even begins to jump for the ball. The Croatian player did not leverage himself off the Spanish defender. Instead, as he jumps, the Spanish defender uses his arm lock and pulls the Croatian player down. Clear penalty.
Obviously, we'll have to agree to disagree. Yes, the arms are locked, but I see the arm on top of the shoulder. Very mutual. The throwdown does happen, but it is post facto... after the ball sails over, out of play. PK would be a shocking call in this situation.
You say "the ball flys by harmlessly", yet the ball went out for a goal kick because it came off the Croatian player in question. So, I don't know how you can say that Busquets pulling him down has no effect on where the ball ends up.
Basically your argument is?: 1)The Croat may have fouled so fouling in retaliation is all good. 2) Football isn't fair but it would have been unfair for a penalty to have been given. Biscuits made no effort to play the ball but rather threw the guy to the ground with a handful of shirt. That is one of the most obvious penalties that you will ever see. Spain is getting preferential treatment - just like Barcelona.